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To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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malificent7 · 08/08/2025 12:47

I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

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GoldThumb · 09/08/2025 18:53

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 18:48

You spoke of a data 'black hole' in a similar way to grooming gangs. It's common knowledge that there was an institutional cover up and part of that cover up was the ethnicity of the perpetrators. You seemed to be suggesting that there was a similar asylum seeker cover up otherwise I don't understand why you brought it up. The HO process asylum claims and therefore are aware of the ethnicity of claimants.

I won't ask you again because you're not able to answer the question. Knowing the ethnicity of perpetrators does not protect women and girls because men they know are the biggest danger to them.

I've already explained what I believe would protect women and girls. Education about abusers is top of that list alongside challenging rape culture.

The same talking points you’re using now, about no proof, are the same point which were being used then.

MPs have already accused the government of a cover up re: hiding immigration status of rapists.

I don’t think I can make my point clearer, so let’s leave it there.

MumOfManyAliases · 09/08/2025 18:54

malificent7 · 08/08/2025 12:47

I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

Do you know what per capita means?

Timeforabitofpeace · 09/08/2025 21:50

Studies have shown that there is very little difference statistically in sexual offences, whether a town has asylum seekers or not(BBC). It’s impossible to prove either way.

NeelyOHara · 10/08/2025 09:31

TopPocketFind · 09/08/2025 18:37

Not implying anything.

Poster have spoken about refusing male refugees claiming asylum from certain countries/ethnicities.

I don't think an Afghan asylum seeker is more dangerous than an American tourist.

I also don't think that if an asylum seekers has been charged with sexual assault, the others in his accommodation should be subjected to protests.

Do you judge all men?

You don’t think an Afghan man, who has been bought up to believe women are inferior in every way, and it isn’t a crime to assault them, is any more dangerous to women than a man bought up in America?
Really?

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:34

NeelyOHara · 10/08/2025 09:31

You don’t think an Afghan man, who has been bought up to believe women are inferior in every way, and it isn’t a crime to assault them, is any more dangerous to women than a man bought up in America?
Really?

Of course they believe it, but they have to pretend they don’t.

I would love to know who is oppressing the women there if not ‘men’ per se?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:35

NeelyOHara · 10/08/2025 09:31

You don’t think an Afghan man, who has been bought up to believe women are inferior in every way, and it isn’t a crime to assault them, is any more dangerous to women than a man bought up in America?
Really?

Where is the evidence that Afghan men are routinely assaulting women in the UK? Don't you think someone would have noticed?

10m women are victims of domestic abuse every year in the US.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 09:37

NeelyOHara · 10/08/2025 09:31

You don’t think an Afghan man, who has been bought up to believe women are inferior in every way, and it isn’t a crime to assault them, is any more dangerous to women than a man bought up in America?
Really?

Where is your evidence that Afghan men are brought up to believe that?

Do you think men fleeing the Taliban should be refused safety in the UK?

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 09:38

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:34

Of course they believe it, but they have to pretend they don’t.

I would love to know who is oppressing the women there if not ‘men’ per se?

You can use she, I am a woman

SpaceRaccoon · 10/08/2025 09:40

Studies have shown that there is very little difference statistically in sexual offences, whether a town has asylum seekers or not(BBC). It’s impossible to prove either way.

This isn't true though. Earlier I posted the statistics from Germany and it's pretty stark - men from Afghanistan and Pakistan are 16 time more likely to be implicated in a rape in Germany than a German national, for instance.

And then there's this Swedish study:

http://bit.ly/4ovaDKF

In Sweden, 47.8% of sexual offenders are born outwith the country, with the biggest groupings being those born in the Middle East, North Africa and rest of Africa.

https://watermark.silverchair.com/fsr_6_2_124.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAA1cwggNTBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggNEMIIDQAIBADCCAzkGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMvk-Yvv-bi6_t7oRGAgEQgIIDCmrLODSCg4IHb2_KRtJno86BJV-AIQi78byDFvFIPhT-VvhCTe6_Z3DhxgRUWlVTO12i3FNNMXJxeElaY6YUJZ7ZmC6lxnMsWrvgV4cuR486YIcXiqLwKaqtT83c8OHAVqk4_nEGvc5eTIw2yXqXrtgWu4bFv6OdfALpyNkNoPBmFK80umIFAs5k28yiVFIt6D68KygQF4UYZ5Y0sS0siPWEbolNt5s41kjBROqSgrXUo2cycqSwjg9X43cW-Y_q6LQu6kLjgSILSreRmsrizkL8NbJ3gq9gGF2_T3VJ2P-VaiRW-YjrCFpyRWz7W6IEW-xkbjxmNYU8fbK595psk9JJ3HFZdVFmysqo4zQwhVPCGNTgH1qszOebla3SrbfhV3zWPK93DTlxrvpLnzfy223IkYqx7Ue5c8xiH33jWOD0euxBSctQyAJNHyyFW4sytw4PMvzlUIwV9MA6N2C_B-uD__JAo55UyWJzun9Q1ow89vMt6LPAhmRvuvkhhxemqFQkXK4Hxe4AFRctE2FkkxSLFPY209DRzXprPv_-Cj_KFp-qagd6AlWi7L3ard1sySEHPMbRlcbNqSlz41m5GnDNwABwVgS_21hIleDTZNLqTGdLSLZCnd69cvLhGPB-SM-pKMiO9kwoWNGPH-pPYtbhupF9MUyhmqKh7ne3WB-xILlhh6j2DDCsYX8ssaqX_XHcLbIgyR7xpnD8i6BMvBVc8VTjZIGkHQCA_pOIBhf19I5DEz2HPwtaxdr0TiGn73_Jcb_NNGi83YnssAYjQTABgXyzwFJ8lAbZz5dSGfih7ShNRJ2ikjq-nSbOXR83VHhzJYyw37sV-gDKsmkVmqUPayCxPWEMTZV-f4mMWh5AzDN_uQZYSEl_GmkRv8eiLF7D7qgJPbN2es-up7jJw-YjxwvwU5UWgkMi_1D8X1jK4W1OiKNbYiVuJHpcaTQ3Moqm39lSZRI9WHLPKZ1JuC14bewiMDm9-oqPsgzL0oC91gAmLJzubZXkmtUAnBrCQ_-9sPu91xE8WHM

LizaRadleywasonthespectrum · 10/08/2025 09:45

Certain cultures have a very poor view of women Op. You know that right?

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:35

Where is the evidence that Afghan men are routinely assaulting women in the UK? Don't you think someone would have noticed?

10m women are victims of domestic abuse every year in the US.

Here is a selection from this month, from a very small group of people (90,000 allegedly).

A man living in an asylum hotel has appeared in court accused of a sexual assault on a woman.
Tadi Alemeyeha, 22, pleaded not guilty to the offence, allegedly committed earlier this month, during the brief hearing at Manchester Magistrates’ Court on Thursday.

Two more migrants living in taxpayer-funded hotels in England have been accused of separate attacks on women, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
A 26-year-old asylum seeker, staying at the Thistle City Barbican in central London was arrested on suspicion of strangling a 20-year-old woman, then threatening her in the street just a day later.
Shockingly, despite the alleged assault taking place in March, he is still free to roam the streets after he was arrested and released under an investigation which is still ongoing. Police admitted the probe had 'taken longer than we would ideally have wanted'.

An asylum seeker strangled and punched his girlfriend in their taxpayer-funded four-star hotel room, a court heard.
Mamadou Alion Diallo, 27, who is from Mali attacked fellow asylum seeker Zenabou Quedraogo at the Heston Hyde Hotel in Hounslow, London.

A Pakistani asylum seeker has appeared in court after being accused of repeatedly raping an eight-year-old girl.
It is alleged that Kamran Khan, 43, raped the child twice between September 2024 and July 2025 before forcing her to watch a third person engage in sexual activity.

A Syrian asylum seeker appeared in court accused with the rape of a young woman in a public toilet on Bournemouth seafront on Wednesday.
Mohammed Abdullah, 18, allegedly attacked the 20-year-old woman in the toilet in Undercliff Drive, Bournemouth, at about 2am on July 6

A small boat migrant has appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old schoolgirl and inciting her to engage in sex.
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 38, is alleged to have put his hand on the school-girl’s leg, asked her for a kiss and suggested they make ‘Jamaican babies’ in Epping over two days last week, Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court was told.

A channel migrant has been handed a 14-month prison sentence after he sexually assaulted an 'extremely vulnerable' teenage girl who has learning difficulties in a park in broad daylight.
Aron Hadsh, 27, from Eritrea, who was living at a taxpayer-funded Holiday Inn near Heathrow, attacked the 19-year-old in June last year after she had been sent by her mother to pick up fruit from a food bank.

Osamah Al-Haddad was caught with three 'grotesque' videos when he arrived at Heathrow airport from Cairo, Egypt, in January 2024. Immigration officers uncovered the material, including 'depraved' footage of a man having sex with a goat, when they searched his mobile during asylum screening. (he’s still walking our streets btw and not being deported)

An asylum seeker accused of three sexual assaults in two days - which sparked ugly anti-migrant protests outside a hotel - had only arrived in the UK by small boat eight days earlier, MailOnline has learned.
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 38, appeared at Colchester Magistrates' Court last week where he was formally accused of inappropriate sexual behaviour towards schoolgirls in the pretty Essex town on Monday and Tuesday last week

This is all news from the last 5/6 weeks alone. From a population of men that total 90,000.

Let me guess - you ‘don’t know what I’m talking about’ and ‘I have no argument’. I don’t care.

SpaceRaccoon · 10/08/2025 09:47

Studies have shown that there is very little difference statistically in sexual offences, whether a town has asylum seekers or not(BBC). It’s impossible to prove either way.

MN hid my reply, I think because I used a shortened URL that was just to an academic study.

But if you look at Germany, where they record nationality of offender, men from Afghanistan and Pakistan over overrepresented by 16x compared to a baseline of German men, when it comes to sexual assaults.

In Sweden, almost half of sexual offenders are foreign-born, with the largest groupings being those born in the Middle East, North Africa and rest of Africa.

I posted some of these stats much earlier in the thread but now people are saying that there's no evidence that men from different national/cultural offend at different rates, and data from various European countries with high asylum seeker populations do unfortunately say otherwise.

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:51

SpaceRaccoon · 10/08/2025 09:47

Studies have shown that there is very little difference statistically in sexual offences, whether a town has asylum seekers or not(BBC). It’s impossible to prove either way.

MN hid my reply, I think because I used a shortened URL that was just to an academic study.

But if you look at Germany, where they record nationality of offender, men from Afghanistan and Pakistan over overrepresented by 16x compared to a baseline of German men, when it comes to sexual assaults.

In Sweden, almost half of sexual offenders are foreign-born, with the largest groupings being those born in the Middle East, North Africa and rest of Africa.

I posted some of these stats much earlier in the thread but now people are saying that there's no evidence that men from different national/cultural offend at different rates, and data from various European countries with high asylum seeker populations do unfortunately say otherwise.

I repeat, who is oppressing the women of Afghanistan if not the men?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:55

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:47

Here is a selection from this month, from a very small group of people (90,000 allegedly).

A man living in an asylum hotel has appeared in court accused of a sexual assault on a woman.
Tadi Alemeyeha, 22, pleaded not guilty to the offence, allegedly committed earlier this month, during the brief hearing at Manchester Magistrates’ Court on Thursday.

Two more migrants living in taxpayer-funded hotels in England have been accused of separate attacks on women, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
A 26-year-old asylum seeker, staying at the Thistle City Barbican in central London was arrested on suspicion of strangling a 20-year-old woman, then threatening her in the street just a day later.
Shockingly, despite the alleged assault taking place in March, he is still free to roam the streets after he was arrested and released under an investigation which is still ongoing. Police admitted the probe had 'taken longer than we would ideally have wanted'.

An asylum seeker strangled and punched his girlfriend in their taxpayer-funded four-star hotel room, a court heard.
Mamadou Alion Diallo, 27, who is from Mali attacked fellow asylum seeker Zenabou Quedraogo at the Heston Hyde Hotel in Hounslow, London.

A Pakistani asylum seeker has appeared in court after being accused of repeatedly raping an eight-year-old girl.
It is alleged that Kamran Khan, 43, raped the child twice between September 2024 and July 2025 before forcing her to watch a third person engage in sexual activity.

A Syrian asylum seeker appeared in court accused with the rape of a young woman in a public toilet on Bournemouth seafront on Wednesday.
Mohammed Abdullah, 18, allegedly attacked the 20-year-old woman in the toilet in Undercliff Drive, Bournemouth, at about 2am on July 6

A small boat migrant has appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old schoolgirl and inciting her to engage in sex.
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 38, is alleged to have put his hand on the school-girl’s leg, asked her for a kiss and suggested they make ‘Jamaican babies’ in Epping over two days last week, Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court was told.

A channel migrant has been handed a 14-month prison sentence after he sexually assaulted an 'extremely vulnerable' teenage girl who has learning difficulties in a park in broad daylight.
Aron Hadsh, 27, from Eritrea, who was living at a taxpayer-funded Holiday Inn near Heathrow, attacked the 19-year-old in June last year after she had been sent by her mother to pick up fruit from a food bank.

Osamah Al-Haddad was caught with three 'grotesque' videos when he arrived at Heathrow airport from Cairo, Egypt, in January 2024. Immigration officers uncovered the material, including 'depraved' footage of a man having sex with a goat, when they searched his mobile during asylum screening. (he’s still walking our streets btw and not being deported)

An asylum seeker accused of three sexual assaults in two days - which sparked ugly anti-migrant protests outside a hotel - had only arrived in the UK by small boat eight days earlier, MailOnline has learned.
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 38, appeared at Colchester Magistrates' Court last week where he was formally accused of inappropriate sexual behaviour towards schoolgirls in the pretty Essex town on Monday and Tuesday last week

This is all news from the last 5/6 weeks alone. From a population of men that total 90,000.

Let me guess - you ‘don’t know what I’m talking about’ and ‘I have no argument’. I don’t care.

First a copy and paste job from Twitter isn't considered evidence. Secondly, that isn't evidence that asylum seekers are routinely attacking women.

Asylum seekers have been coming over to the UK in small boats for nearly a decade. Apparently these men don't know any better than to randomly attack women.

If that's a fact, there would be thousands of women being attacked for years by these men. People would have noticed this surge in crime.

I understand that you think foreign men are savages who can't control themselves around women and children, however there is no evidence to support your claim.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:58

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:51

I repeat, who is oppressing the women of Afghanistan if not the men?

You're perfectly aware that the Taliban are oppressing Afghanistani people. I'm not sure why you keep asking the same question when the answer is common knowledge.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 09:59

Asylum seekers have been coming over to the UK in small boats for nearly a decade. Apparently these men don't know any better than to randomly attack women.

Weird how MSM failed to report on all those attacks 🤔

SpunkyPombear · 10/08/2025 10:01

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 09:59

Asylum seekers have been coming over to the UK in small boats for nearly a decade. Apparently these men don't know any better than to randomly attack women.

Weird how MSM failed to report on all those attacks 🤔

Much longer

SpaceRaccoon · 10/08/2025 10:01

You're perfectly aware that the Taliban are oppressing Afghanistani people.

You'd think if it was that bad for the men, and worse for women, none of the fleeing men would want to leave their female relatives behind?

Somerford · 10/08/2025 10:01

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:55

First a copy and paste job from Twitter isn't considered evidence. Secondly, that isn't evidence that asylum seekers are routinely attacking women.

Asylum seekers have been coming over to the UK in small boats for nearly a decade. Apparently these men don't know any better than to randomly attack women.

If that's a fact, there would be thousands of women being attacked for years by these men. People would have noticed this surge in crime.

I understand that you think foreign men are savages who can't control themselves around women and children, however there is no evidence to support your claim.

People are noticing though. Hence all of the protests and Reform's popularity.

SpaceRaccoon · 10/08/2025 10:02

I understand that you think foreign men are savages who can't control themselves around women and children, however there is no evidence to support your claim.

That was literally this rapist's defense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_swimming_pool_rape

Vienna swimming pool rape - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_swimming_pool_rape

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 10:03

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 09:59

Asylum seekers have been coming over to the UK in small boats for nearly a decade. Apparently these men don't know any better than to randomly attack women.

Weird how MSM failed to report on all those attacks 🤔

Isn’t it logic that the attacks were lesser when the numbers were lesser? Good grief, the psychotic gotcha attempts here

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 10:04

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:51

I repeat, who is oppressing the women of Afghanistan if not the men?

You could ask that question for all countries and religions.

What religion doesn't oppress women?

Or are you saying that all Afghan men are now Taliban?

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 10:04

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:58

You're perfectly aware that the Taliban are oppressing Afghanistani people. I'm not sure why you keep asking the same question when the answer is common knowledge.

Really? You think the average Afghan husband has the same respect for his wife an average man in say Norway does? Will you tell me the Germans didn’t support the Nazis either?

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 10:05

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 09:55

First a copy and paste job from Twitter isn't considered evidence. Secondly, that isn't evidence that asylum seekers are routinely attacking women.

Asylum seekers have been coming over to the UK in small boats for nearly a decade. Apparently these men don't know any better than to randomly attack women.

If that's a fact, there would be thousands of women being attacked for years by these men. People would have noticed this surge in crime.

I understand that you think foreign men are savages who can't control themselves around women and children, however there is no evidence to support your claim.

Weird how the surge started when the numbers increased isn’t it?