To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

No, just like all immigrants arent sexual predators.

You said:

It would prevent another knowledge ‘black hole’, which was one of the cited reasons the grooming gangs were able to operate for so long

You seem to be saying here that data on ethnicities would prevent another 'black hole' in a similar way to grooming gangs. As such, there's widespread grooming gangs of asylum seekers, in a similar way to gangs of Pakistani heritage. Otherwise I'm not sure why you insisted on conflating the two issues.

Obviously widespread grooming and sexual abuse needs to be urgently investigated. However, as I stated we already know the ethnicities of asylum seekers. I'd be interested in what information you have on this as it's horrific to think of it happening again.

Ethnicity only? No

As part of wider analysis, yes

So take this logic, and apply it to the situation at hand.

Stop saying you can’t for any reason fathom why it at all useful

If it were the case re asylum seekers, it would have been widely reported.

And what would you do with the data, refuse refugees of a certain ethnicity? More protests outside hotels?

We don’t know if there’s a specific issue with asylum seekers offending at a rate higher than average unless we record the rates.

Is your point ‘even if we find out they do, what does it matter’ That’s what I’m getting

Good thing then that I am not saying that

It would give an answer that would end this circular discussion for one thing

So what are you saying?
Why are you against it?
I’m finding your responses jumbled and unclear

What answer?

You don't make much sense either.

Can you say why the Tories didnt put this in place then 10 years ago when immigration started to rise?

The title of the OP?
Whether white British/American men are more/just as much of a risk than migrants?

If you go first I’m happy to answer a question after.

My points have been consistent.

You can see how ethnicity can be part of a wider analysis re: grooming gangs, but not a wider analysis as to whether migrants are a greater sexual risk?

Yes, because I will not judge all people the same because they share an ethnicity

That doesn’t follow.
You know men are more of a threat than women. Do you judge all men?

I understand from your response that you have no evidence at all that asylum seekers are grooming children. You're simply conflating two issues.

I didn't say that I don’t care about VAWAG. I'm not sure where you got that impression. I have spoken of how the far right are weaponising VAWAG while many of them abuse women. I have spoken of the current VAWAG crisis in the UK. I have spoken of various strategies to combat VAWAG such as specialist training, investment in the judicial system, education and more investment in support workers. None of that suggests I don't think it matters.

I don't understand how data on ethnicity protects women and girls. I have given statistics on how 6/7 rapes are by someone a woman knows and that stranger rape is rare. I've asked you at least five times to explain and you've gone on about asylum seekers being in grooming gangs and provided no evidence that's the case. Yet more disinformation it seems.

No, I don't.

Do you?

So why mention judging all people by the same ethnicity?
What were you implying by that comment?

Again.

I never said asylum seekers were part of grooming gangs - quote where I did.

You asked for an example of how recording ethnicity protects against VAWG.
I gave the example of the grooming gangs, and how the Casey report stated that not recording the ethnicity of perpetrators created a ‘blind spot’ that meant it wasn’t dealt efficiently.

I said if we don’t have any data on whether migrants commit rape and sexual assault at a rate higher then the national average, then there could be another blind spot, whereby it is not being dealt with efficiently.

I’m not sure why you’re against this?
If it proves what you’re saying, that they don’t, then this is a surely a good thing?
Why would you not want to know.

Don't ask me a sixth time

Not implying anything.

Poster have spoken about refusing male refugees claiming asylum from certain countries/ethnicities.

I don't think an Afghan asylum seeker is more dangerous than an American tourist.

I also don't think that if an asylum seekers has been charged with sexual assault, the others in his accommodation should be subjected to protests.

Do you judge all men?

‘Poster have spoken about refusing male refugees claiming asylum from certain countries/ethnicities‘

You were responding to me.
I said this? Quote where I did

You spoke of a data 'black hole' in a similar way to grooming gangs. It's common knowledge that there was an institutional cover up and part of that cover up was the ethnicity of the perpetrators. You seemed to be suggesting that there was a similar asylum seeker cover up otherwise I don't understand why you brought it up. The HO process asylum claims and therefore are aware of the ethnicity of claimants.

I won't ask you again because you're not able to answer the question. Knowing the ethnicity of perpetrators does not protect women and girls because men they know are the biggest danger to them.

I've already explained what I believe would protect women and girls. Education about abusers is top of that list alongside challenging rape culture.

The same talking points you’re using now, about no proof, are the same point which were being used then.

MPs have already accused the government of a cover up re: hiding immigration status of rapists.

I don’t think I can make my point clearer, so let’s leave it there.