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To think women who say “I’m just one of the lads” secretly crave male approval?

207 replies

TheFluentCrow · 08/08/2025 09:31

I always hear women saying this as though it’s a badge of honour. But isn’t it really just about wanting validation from men and distancing themselves from other women?

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Rewis · 08/08/2025 12:21

How many men would even be on a site like Mumsnet, posting stuff like this?

Not on mumsnet. But men post more on Internet forums than women. As an example Reddit skews more towards men and it is full of discussions like this.

Rewis · 08/08/2025 12:31

I just find it so weird that the women I've met havent all been back stabbing bitches, with plastic surgery addictions, shallow, unable to hold a conversation about anything other than men and make up gossip about others, unable to think of any other activities than spa days. Weirdly I've come across women (more than one) that are complex, several interests, can hold a conversation, well educated, capable of several typed of activities (including, but not limited to spa).

StimmyWimmy · 08/08/2025 12:33

I get on a lot better with me than I do women, but I definitely don't think I'm one of the lads or think all women are pitches. 😂

SerafinasGoose · 08/08/2025 12:40

Namechanged4obviousreasons · 08/08/2025 11:52

I love how people assume attractive women can only be friends with men if there’s a hidden sexual agenda (despite both sides often having partners or being married) but that doesn’t apply presumably to lesbian friends or those who are bisexual and may be finding us attractive too? Jeez, people can think about more than just how someone looks. It’s this shallow outlook which is part of the reason I don’t associate with many females. Women are the worst to each other and against each other. They blame a lot on men but women can be horrid, right from being little girls in primary school.

How many men would even be on a site like Mumsnet, posting stuff like this? They just get on with their lives! And women wonder why they’re not taken seriously - look at this thread alone! Let people be whatever they want and associate with whomever they want. No need for sympathy if you don’t have a gaggle of female friends. I don’t and I don’t feel I’m missing out at all. I’ve met women, I’ve had the chance of female friends but they have been nothing like me and I can’t be doing with the drama or conversations like this one.

Mumsnet is teeming with blokes telling women off and trying to dictate what we can say and how we should think.

Once you’ve clocked the pattern and the type of thread they gravitate towards, you can spot them a mile off.

Sugarfish · 08/08/2025 12:46

Going by a lot of comments on here saying that a woman who hangs out with lads is desperate or a pick me or just wants to sleep with them. I can see why some would prefer to hang out with guys.

I have a group of men I go to metal gigs with. I am the only woman. I’ve known these men since college. I do not want to sleep with any of them. We just have a shared interest and we do go to the pub sometimes as a group and have inside jokes. I am one of the lads then. Other women are not excluded it’s just we haven’t found any others that want to join us. I’m certainly not the husband stealing show off that is being painted here!

I do find I tend to get on with men more than women, I don’t really know why. I have a few close female friends who I think have a similar personality to me. So maybe it’s just that?

user482904 · 08/08/2025 12:47

How many men would even be on a site like Mumsnet, posting stuff like this?

Er... I've seen men do this many times on here. I know they are men because they tell us proudly that they are as if they want some kind of medal for it.

If you need more evidence, let me introduce you to Reddit. If you think men never do this (and much much worse) go over there and have a look. It's WAY worse than MN.

Rewis · 08/08/2025 12:51

Going by a lot of comments on here saying that a woman who hangs out with lads is desperate or a pick me or just wants to sleep with them

I don't think anyone has said that a woman who hangs out with men is desperate, pick me or just wants to sleep with them. There is a difference between being friends with men and being a self proclaimed "one of the guys".

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/08/2025 12:54

@Whynotjustengageyourbrain

So I'm a full on girly girl, but have lots of male friends, what does that make me? I would never watch football.

I also have loads of male friends but would not watch football in a million years.
Most of us are somewhere along this "gender stereotype" spectrum and the categorisations are largely artificial and aren't helpful. People should do what they want.

This is a slightly separate point: there is definitely a syndrome of women calling themselves "one of the lads" in a self-conscious way. I've observed this many times in women and it almost always turns out to be driven by a desire to get close to a particular "lad" within a group by ingratiating herself with the friendship group.

Ohhilois · 08/08/2025 12:55

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 09:43

Men are much easier to get on with, they are much more easygoing and simple. I have many male and female friends. You're overthinking it.

I used to have a lot of male friends.

Then, I found out, through conversations as we got older that they were only mates with me in the beginning as they wanted to shag me. As we got older and people divorced or got bored, some were still just in it in the hope of a shag.

I just tolerate men now.

Notsosure1 · 08/08/2025 12:56

ChangeLooRoll · 08/08/2025 12:19

I’m torn on this because what you’re describing used to be me and I do cringe a bit looking back but I think it’s more complex than that.

I was diagnosed autistic as an adult and my whole life I’ve struggled with maintaining friendships. I have always had a sense that I’m not understanding social rules and even though I can feel people’s reactions to me shift, I cannot tell why.

Genuinely, this does seem to happen more with women. For a long time I would have said that in a judgemental way (women are more bitchy etc.) but I was being unfair.

I read a theory that when it comes to emotional complexity / intelligence / sophistication of social rules, autistic men tend to be at the bottom. Then above that you have neurotypical men tied with autistic women and then above them all neurotypical women.

I would agree with this. I don’t think it was ever that the women I met were bitchy or nasty. I think it’s that the social rules were more complex and it was easier to accidentally offend or do something I wasn’t “supposed” to do.

I sometimes had mixed friendship groups but for some reason they’d involve men’s and women doing things separately. The women would go and get their nails done and the men would play board games. I’d join the men because my interests aligned more with theirs. Then over time the women would dislike me and I felt it was unfair.

Looking back, had I sometimes gone to get my nails done and made an effort to show I wanted to be friends then they likely wouldn’t have cared that I sometimes wanted to do the male activity. It genuinely didn’t occur to me that the reason they disliked me was because I didn’t make an effort. I thought they disliked me and judged me because I didn’t share their interests. I resented that the group was even split in this way.

I had a bit of an epiphany when I realised that the men I thought were friends would get drunk and make flirty comments. They invited me to stuff like I was one of them but they didn’t care about me as a person in the way they did their male friends. I also found that when I put on weight a lot of them became less interested in being my friend which didn’t really align with my idea that we just liked each other as people.

I have done a bit of a 180 in that I no longer feel interested in pursuing friendships with men. I do think the very few times I have had female friendships they were more meaningful. I want to find friends who are women but even now - slightly more enlightened - I do find it harder.

With men, if I chatted for a bit and shared their interest I’d very quickly become part of the group that got invited next time.

With women it feels like even when we’ve spent a lot of time together and know a lot about each other, they see still me as an acquaintance and I struggle to get to a point where I’m in a friendship group or even someone who they see as a friend. When I do meet a woman and we click, often they’ll become distant and I don’t know why. Or I’ll think we’re closer than we are.

I actually think men can be just as bitchy and gossipy but with women the etiquette and friendship rules are more subtle and intricate.

So yes I have been a “pick me” in the sense that out of insecurity I have neglected to make an effort with women and have unfairly made assumptions about them. I can see why it came across like I thought I was better than them. But it genuinely wasn’t about getting male validation and trying to shag everyone’s husbands.

This resonates with me, particularly feeling like you’re missing invisible, unspoken social cues and men and women dividing in group settings. One that stands out is my ex bf taking me to a house warming and the men were in the kitchen/lounge, drinking and chatting and the women were holed up in the small front room with wedding magazines, discussing the woman who was engaged to exbf’s friend’s, forthcoming marriage. I didn’t know any of the other women whereas I’d met quite a few of the men and hung out socially with them and I just felt a mixture of awkwardness pretending to give two shits about a wedding I had no interest in (tbf, none interested me) making conversation with strangers who mainly knew each other and were friends - and resentment that we had been segregated in such an obvious way for the whole evening.

-And we had only had 2 bottles of wine to share between us all bloody night!
(which admittedly I was probably more pissed off about)

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/08/2025 13:06

After an entire childhood spent being bullied by girls because they didn't like me for various reasons including;

I didn't have a fringe
My hair wasn't long enough
I didn't have sparkly hair bands
I didn't have the right colour shoes
I didn't have little slip on shoes
I liked riding my bike
I liked climbing trees
I liked motorbikes
I liked helping my brother fix his motorbike
I didn't want spiders or moths killed
I would rescue spiders and moths before a bunch of screaming girls got some boy to kill them
I wore jeans and trainers that didn't sparkle
I didn't have any pink clothes
I was good at maths and science
I watched 'weird things' on TV and knew far too much about Marvel and DC characters when everybody knew that those things were for boys.
I liked 'boy music' (rock, metal, etc) and didn't have a favourite out of manufactured boy band A or manufactured boy band B because I thought they were both pretty shit
I played bass in a band without at least one other female there at all times to ensure I wasn't fucking the lead guitarist or singer at any given moment
I liked computers
I liked films like The Terminator and Robocop, war films and cartoons
I wasn't interested in having a boyfriend but liked spending time with people who liked the same things I did

and hundreds of other ways I failed to perform femininity properly, I didn't and still don't really give a shit whether they think I'm still trying to impress the boys or not.

Isxmasoveryet · 08/08/2025 13:08

Or just really fed up with bitchy clicky women lol men are way more laid back and easier to get on with and won't slag u off behind your back while being nice to your face like women do

PurpleChrayn · 08/08/2025 13:08

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 09:43

Men are much easier to get on with, they are much more easygoing and simple. I have many male and female friends. You're overthinking it.

I found the “pick me”!!

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:08

They're vErY sPeCiAl unlike all the other women. Oh and they aren't friends with other women, for some reason they just never click with women only, men 😂😅They're as transparent as a pane of glass.

notatinydancer · 08/08/2025 13:09

Don’t agree. One of my best friends is male.
I certainly don’t think I’m better than other women because I’ve got male friends.
I used to work in a very male environment, never had a problem with wives or girlfriends ( that anyone told me).

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 08/08/2025 13:10

HeadNorth · 08/08/2025 11:19

I feel a bit sorry for women that don't like other women so don't have any close female friends. My female friends are wonderful and at times have been literal life-savers. Women can be so fabulous, so it is sad not to be able to see that and benefit from the life-enhancing richness of long-term female friendship. Their loss, I suppose.

When my marriage fell apart, it was my male friends who picked me up and helped me get through it by keeping me occupied and distracting me. Calling me up to get me out of the house, making sure I was okay when I was suffering with depression.

A lot of my female friends disappeared, or took my ex's side (even ones I had known longer than him). I can count on one hand the female friends who have stuck around.

My female friendships have never recovered. My male friendships are still going strong and still message/see me regularly.

notatinydancer · 08/08/2025 13:10

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:08

They're vErY sPeCiAl unlike all the other women. Oh and they aren't friends with other women, for some reason they just never click with women only, men 😂😅They're as transparent as a pane of glass.

I certainly don’t think I’m very special and I’ve got lots of women friends.

PinedApple · 08/08/2025 13:10

TheFluentCrow · 08/08/2025 09:50

Exactly, that’s often the vibe. The ‘one of the lads’ label can sometimes act like a humblebrag that positions you as different (read: better) than other women. It’s not always conscious but it can reek of pick me energy when it’s about male approval rather than genuine connection.

In the same vein as ‘not like other girls’. Classic cool girl rhetoric

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:12

notatinydancer · 08/08/2025 13:10

I certainly don’t think I’m very special and I’ve got lots of women friends.

That's nice for you? Not sure why you're telling me this when I was very clearly responding to the OPs question.

stayathomer · 08/08/2025 13:14

some women are more ‘one of the lads’ though, they’re into similar things, have the same sense of humour as the group they’ve found etc. The fact that this thread is mostly giving digs at them isn’t exactly showing some women as being the approachable group is it?

HeadNorth · 08/08/2025 13:15

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 12:10

Have you been in a school playground, because I can assure you it is very much like this. Give me school dads any day!

Yes, I've been in a school playground. That isn't where I found my female friends, but I always found the other school mums perfectly pleasant to chat to and arrange play dates with when my children were at primary school.

Maybe you brought the gossiping and drama to the playground? If you find every single woman you have ever met gossipy and dramatic, then it stands to reason that you are the common denominator.

Catsandcannedbeans · 08/08/2025 13:17

To be honest, men will never ever see a woman as one of the boys, but women will bend over backwards and throw other women under the bus to delude themselves they are. To me any woman who says that is a red flag and is probably extremely male centred - which at best case is annoying and in worst case means she’s an enabler. Theres women who have a lot of male friends, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing, the issue comes from them actually believing they are one of the boys and declaring it.

There’s no straight man who’s one of the girls either. I have a lot of gay friends and they’re not “one of the girls”, but they’re about as close as a man can get. They also don’t want to be one of the girls and they don’t claim to be.

5128gap · 08/08/2025 13:20

Isxmasoveryet · 08/08/2025 13:08

Or just really fed up with bitchy clicky women lol men are way more laid back and easier to get on with and won't slag u off behind your back while being nice to your face like women do

Edited

That's exceptionally naive of you.

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 08/08/2025 13:22

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/08/2025 12:14

I would draw a hard distinction between two types of women in this category.

Some women authentically gravitate towards typically male hobbies and interests (football/biking/golf) and prefer to talk about these things and build their social life around things where they will be on common ground. I know a woman who is a life-long, die-hard football supporter and spends every other weekend travelling to Manchester to support her favourite club. She is passionate about it and doesn't get that level of passion from 99.9% of the women she knows so a lot of her social life revolves around being with men. She's also happily married (to a man) with two kids and has good female friendships.

But there is definitely a category of "one of the blokes" girls who are basically "cool girls". I've known dozens of women like this over the years (and I've been guilty of this a bit myself in low periods) and it invariably is associated with low self-esteem and the belief that you won't be accepted and loved if you say what you actually want, so you go along with things which you think will make your male company "happy" in a superficial way: drinking lots of pints at the pub, cheering along with the football, dissing "girly" pursuits and making a clown of yourself in order to be accepted (and ultimately in the false belief that you're more likely to find a boyfriend by acting like this).

I cringe when any woman describes herself as "one of the lads". It tends to make me think they are in the latter category and I feel slightly embarrassed for them. If you genuinely are "one of the lads" you wouldn't need to advertise it.

This sums it up perfectly.

Be friends with whoever, have whatever interests, talk about whatever, do whatever you like - if you are just getting on with your life the way that suits you, this thread is not about you.

If you feel the need to announce that you're "one of the boys" or don't get along with any women, with some reductionist sexist stereotypes to boot, this thread is about you and you're being a pick-me.

Muffsies · 08/08/2025 13:25

Whiningatwine · 08/08/2025 09:45

Yes, I know quite a few. My partner plays a sports where the club is 50:50 male/female. There's a couple of the women who cross all reasonable boundaries with the men and get quite huffy when the wives or girlfriends call them out. Apparently we're uptight and don't understand they're just one of the guys.

What do you mean by cross the boundaries? Surely its fine to have male friends?

If you're talking about women who like flirting with attached men, that's a whole different thing.