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MIL on holiday with us at the moment but all she has done is mope

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Summerispantsthisyear · 06/08/2025 15:12

We’re currently on holiday somewhere in Greece & have bought my husband’s Mum (who I get on with well) with us for around a week, she was widowed late last year & we thought it would be a lovely break for her, she’s close to our child (& we do not expect childcare at all) . We’ve paid for her flights & accommodation in a beautiful apartment but all she has done is sit on her own, barely spoken to any of us & wallow in almost self pity, making it really difficult for us to enjoy the first part of our family holiday. She took it upon herself without asking to invite a niece & partner of hers who are staying close by to join us at our apartment for drinks today but they’re now not coming, she’s upset & frankly I’ve found the whole first part of the trip exhausting having to tread on eggshells the entire time. I absolutely hate to sound selfish & thought we were doing the right thing but it’s been an absolute disaster & I feel horrible. I had an honest chat with her last night hoping things would change today but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears & we’re all back to square one. I feel awful even writing this but need to get it off my chest.

OP posts:
Nikki75 · 08/08/2025 22:01

I know where your coming from in that it's a family holiday we have such big expectations to want to have a lovely time.
In mil defence she is very early on in her grief and seeing people smiling and laughing carrying on with life can be hard and feelings are unpredictable the world carrys on regardless even when our worlds feel like they are in chaos ... give her time I'm sure she doesnt mean to put a dampener on things x

Nikki75 · 08/08/2025 22:03

Gigglydancybox · 08/08/2025 10:22

I cannot understand the majority of posts here. The poor woman is grieving the loss of her husband. 3 years on and my mum is still grieving, has quiet moments, is angry, tearful, all you’d expect but I’d never mean and complain that she’s ruining something.

for those of you saying she shouldn’t have gone. Do you really believe she’s choosing to be this way? She would have thought it would be great, but now she’s on holiday she’s being reminded of all the times she holidayed with her DH.

some people have obviously, luckily, not lost someone close, and seriously need to give their heads a wobble.

I agree her world has stopped while everyone elses is carrying on she needs a big hug and some understanding.

UrbanOasis · 08/08/2025 22:09

Maddy70 · 08/08/2025 17:48

Just be very upbeat.
Oooh let's go for breakfast
What a fantastic day for a swim
Look at that blue sky
I love Greek food where shall we eat tonight
Etc

Yes great idea, this way she might forget her DH died not that long ago.

Welshmonster · 08/08/2025 23:00

Just go and do activities and let her reflect on her grief. Is it first holiday with DH. Or maybe they have happy memories of Greece

just crack on with your day and let your DH entertain his mum

Crikeyalmighty · 08/08/2025 23:59

@Piknik that’s a great way to react .

Maddy70 · 09/08/2025 00:00

UrbanOasis · 08/08/2025 22:09

Yes great idea, this way she might forget her DH died not that long ago.

Oh come on. She shouldn't be allowed to see joy in things while grieving? Get over yourself

Piknik · 09/08/2025 00:08

Crikeyalmighty · 08/08/2025 23:59

@Piknik that’s a great way to react .

The only way, surely?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/08/2025 01:24

Reignonyourparade · 06/08/2025 16:14

I find that acting as I wish to be, changes my mood. She needs to give her head a wobble.

I have lost people close to me and NOTHING is going to fill that void, but if you sink into it, what then? Join them?

Just jolly along and then leave her to it.

what then? Join them?

What's to say that she isn't thinking of that?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/08/2025 04:35

Maddy70 · 08/08/2025 17:48

Just be very upbeat.
Oooh let's go for breakfast
What a fantastic day for a swim
Look at that blue sky
I love Greek food where shall we eat tonight
Etc

Ugh.

When I’ve been very low this approach makes me worse. And it made me angry.

middler · 09/08/2025 04:46

She is grieving, she may be in this state for a few years. People cannot just giddy up just because they are in the sun in a nice apartment. If you are going to be kind see it through...let her be who she is in this raw stage she is in.

whistlesandbells · 09/08/2025 06:53

My Mother never recovered from the loss of my Dad. It was a long, painful 9 years that no amount of help, support, therapy, medication, distraction could change.

Within a year of the loss is no time at all. You can only get on with your holiday and offer as much support as you can.

SparklesGlitter · 09/08/2025 08:05

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/08/2025 04:35

Ugh.

When I’ve been very low this approach makes me worse. And it made me angry.

Me too. It would be utterly exhausting.

Buzzingabout · 09/08/2025 08:06

I have been thinking about this poor woman and just wishing I could feel sure she could be comforted by someone. Very many people on the spectrum cannot feel empathy however and do not mea to be unkind.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 08:40

LindorDoubleChoc · 06/08/2025 17:33

How frustrating for you that she agreed to come. She could so easily have stayed at home to continue her grieving.

I don't blame you for feeling disappointed OP. Lovely holidays in Greece aren't 10 a penny and I'm sure you've been looking forward to it for a long time. You and dh were generous and thoughtful towards your MIL and it hasn't been a success. That's a real shame.

What ? You thought MiL could just pack away her grief for the duration of the holiday ? There’s no way MiL could anticipate how she would feel once there, and OP should have realised that inviting her was inviting the grief too. The way to deal with it is to get on with the holiday and do everything they planned and recognise that MiL won’t want to join in all the time. She’ll want time on her own with her thoughts. In these circumstances sometimes a holiday can have the opposite effect from that intended. Because sometimes you’re at your loneliest when you’re surrounded by other people.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 08:43

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/08/2025 01:24

what then? Join them?

What's to say that she isn't thinking of that?

The same thought crossed my mind. And ‘give your head a wobble’ !! Such empathy !!

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 08:48

Maddy70 · 09/08/2025 00:00

Oh come on. She shouldn't be allowed to see joy in things while grieving? Get over yourself

Sorry but from personal experience l’d say that grief takes away your ability to see the joy in things, if only temporarily. It’s utterly patronising to behave like this towards someone in the relatively early stages of the grieving process, and only serves to demonstrate that you don’t understand it. It’s also exhausting for both parties.

Maddy70 · 09/08/2025 09:00

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 08:48

Sorry but from personal experience l’d say that grief takes away your ability to see the joy in things, if only temporarily. It’s utterly patronising to behave like this towards someone in the relatively early stages of the grieving process, and only serves to demonstrate that you don’t understand it. It’s also exhausting for both parties.

Being around positivity does make you feel brighter though. That's not saying she isn't internalising grief bit she also is on holiday with her family and she will be aware that others are there for a good time. It's a selfish response to spoil her families holiday , they fully understand she's grieving. They are too and this is a well earned holiday. It's time to put others needs to the for. Maybe she's overwhelmed and needs a little time alone to process ?

Say "we fancy going to xxx today, want to come? No pressure if you would rather sit and read your book (or whatever she wants to do and has been doing so far )

Discombobble · 09/08/2025 09:34

Strawberries86 · 06/08/2025 15:27

@VaseofViolets iv never lost someone close to me thank god but I imagine less than a year in grief is unpredictable and not linear.

Its disappointing to have a holiday effected but handle it with grace and the thought that one day, you might be in her position.

Grief is not an excuse to make people around you miserable she didn’t have to go on holiday with them

SparklesGlitter · 09/08/2025 09:40

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 08:43

The same thought crossed my mind. And ‘give your head a wobble’ !! Such empathy !!

‘Give her head a wobble’ I had to put my phone away at that point. How utterly awful

echt · 09/08/2025 09:44

Discombobble · 09/08/2025 09:34

Grief is not an excuse to make people around you miserable she didn’t have to go on holiday with them

She could well have accepted the OP's very kind offer and then been overwhelmed when she got there.

I'm widowed and nine years later, it creeps up on you.

echt · 09/08/2025 09:45

Oh, and no-one makes you feel anything. You choose how you react.

Timeforabitofpeace · 09/08/2025 10:04

That’s true @echt

MistressoftheDarkSide · 09/08/2025 10:22

I always read threads like this as I'm still working on being the perfect widow and it will be 4 years in January.

It does seem that the widow pass expires at around the 6 month mark. And that one's actual loss is secondary to other people's expectations.

The expectation that you must remember you are not the only one grieving The expectation that you must be accommodating to everyone else's grief - if people want to talk about it, cry, or impose themselves on you, you suck it up because it's not all about you. If people want to pretend it hasn't happened and tell you to "dial it down" as one former friend did when I mentioned it was the first anniversary of my DPs collapse that lead to his death three weeks later, one must comply.

People just don't know what to do with you. They think they should do "something" and they make kind offers and include you, which you feel obliged to accept because you "know" life goes on, and even though it's like being outside a window in the cold watching a big happy party, Dickensian style, you try to join in. Then when you're nursing your drink in the corner because awkward conversations have happened, because you've been introduced to a new person, and can't really talk about much other than your current circumstances because that's how you get to know people, and they've awkwardly backed away for less intense interactions, even if you've tried dark and stoic humour, you notice a huddle of worried friends figuring out the next move. If you're on your thirsty or fourth drink, and perhaps a bit visibly wobbly, there's usually the offer of a lift home as someone's happens to be leaving and miraculously going your way. Or a taxi will be generously ordered.

So you tick "Merry Widow" off the list as not a good fit. Miss Haversham is a better look for a while, but this tends to prompt "intervention".

On the practical side, some people will help, say with moving house, or losing your business, and a sub section of those will never let you forget their willing sacrifices.

Occasionally you wonder if it would have been easier and preferable for all concerned if you'd just hopped into the grave at the funeral and had done with it.

It's also a bit like being pregnant. Everyone has an opinion, a story, advice, and gets weirdly invested if you try to just do your own thing, because they think that you've completely lost all shred of your own ability to make decisions, have your own opinions etc. Yes, grief impacts those things, but it's part of the processing and figuring out this unwanted new life that you're supposed to joyously embrace despite the fact that your heart is broken.

And so if anyone reads this far - some will get it, and know what I'm trying to convey. Some will eye roll (I predict a "melodrama", a "hyperbole" and several versions of self-centred) and suggest counselling (since I've lost my Dad, my MIL and an Uncle since April, don't worry I'm on it).

But for the OP - give MIL a break. How you handle this now will inform how your relationship with her, and family dynamics will evolve. Perhaps she is aware of your egg shell feelings. Do you know how stressful it is when people tip toe around as if you're an unexploded bomb? It's incredibly painful when grieving to realise you're a "problem" to people you love, because of something you can do very little about.

She may mask, she may go through the motions, she may project her sadness or grief onto you. And she may, like many widows find herself largely alone, hypervigilant about offending people, or thinking "fuck it".

If you want a good relationship with her moving forward tread carefully, and bear in mind this affects your DH too.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 10:41

MistressoftheDarkSide · 09/08/2025 10:22

I always read threads like this as I'm still working on being the perfect widow and it will be 4 years in January.

It does seem that the widow pass expires at around the 6 month mark. And that one's actual loss is secondary to other people's expectations.

The expectation that you must remember you are not the only one grieving The expectation that you must be accommodating to everyone else's grief - if people want to talk about it, cry, or impose themselves on you, you suck it up because it's not all about you. If people want to pretend it hasn't happened and tell you to "dial it down" as one former friend did when I mentioned it was the first anniversary of my DPs collapse that lead to his death three weeks later, one must comply.

People just don't know what to do with you. They think they should do "something" and they make kind offers and include you, which you feel obliged to accept because you "know" life goes on, and even though it's like being outside a window in the cold watching a big happy party, Dickensian style, you try to join in. Then when you're nursing your drink in the corner because awkward conversations have happened, because you've been introduced to a new person, and can't really talk about much other than your current circumstances because that's how you get to know people, and they've awkwardly backed away for less intense interactions, even if you've tried dark and stoic humour, you notice a huddle of worried friends figuring out the next move. If you're on your thirsty or fourth drink, and perhaps a bit visibly wobbly, there's usually the offer of a lift home as someone's happens to be leaving and miraculously going your way. Or a taxi will be generously ordered.

So you tick "Merry Widow" off the list as not a good fit. Miss Haversham is a better look for a while, but this tends to prompt "intervention".

On the practical side, some people will help, say with moving house, or losing your business, and a sub section of those will never let you forget their willing sacrifices.

Occasionally you wonder if it would have been easier and preferable for all concerned if you'd just hopped into the grave at the funeral and had done with it.

It's also a bit like being pregnant. Everyone has an opinion, a story, advice, and gets weirdly invested if you try to just do your own thing, because they think that you've completely lost all shred of your own ability to make decisions, have your own opinions etc. Yes, grief impacts those things, but it's part of the processing and figuring out this unwanted new life that you're supposed to joyously embrace despite the fact that your heart is broken.

And so if anyone reads this far - some will get it, and know what I'm trying to convey. Some will eye roll (I predict a "melodrama", a "hyperbole" and several versions of self-centred) and suggest counselling (since I've lost my Dad, my MIL and an Uncle since April, don't worry I'm on it).

But for the OP - give MIL a break. How you handle this now will inform how your relationship with her, and family dynamics will evolve. Perhaps she is aware of your egg shell feelings. Do you know how stressful it is when people tip toe around as if you're an unexploded bomb? It's incredibly painful when grieving to realise you're a "problem" to people you love, because of something you can do very little about.

She may mask, she may go through the motions, she may project her sadness or grief onto you. And she may, like many widows find herself largely alone, hypervigilant about offending people, or thinking "fuck it".

If you want a good relationship with her moving forward tread carefully, and bear in mind this affects your DH too.

This. I’m at eight years and have been in another relationship for some time. But every year the dates of significant events which led up to my DH’s death - all taking place over a couple of weeks, prior to which we had no knowledge that anything was wrong - come rolling round and it inevitably brings back the sadness of what happened. It was spring, and even now the sight of a cherry tree in full bloom takes me right back to standing in our living room staring at our tree in full sunshine and glorious bloom, trying to process the fact that l had just watched the love of my life die. My now husband knows me well, and when l go quiet at these times, he understands and gives me space to deal with it.

To be able to move forward in life, you have to go through the grieving process. There are no short cuts, it takes as long as it takes, and you can’t get away from your feelings. It makes me smile when people talk about ‘getting over it’ because you never do. You may pack way the grief but it has a profound effect on how you view the rest of your life and it’s never far from the surface, and triggered by the most unexpected things.

Judging by some of the comments on this thread it appears to be true that if you haven’t experienced it for yourself, you can’t possibly know how it feels. But common sense should inform that it takes a lot longer than nine months to properly come to terms with losing someone you’ve spent most of your adult life with. There’s no experience needed. Just love, kindness and patience.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/08/2025 10:50

Discombobble · 09/08/2025 09:34

Grief is not an excuse to make people around you miserable she didn’t have to go on holiday with them

Grief is not an ‘excuse’ for anything. Grief is grief. And nine months into the grieving process is the blink of an eye when we’re talking about losing a life partner - someone MiL may have been with for most of her adult life. And there are no details about the circumstances of his death, which can feed into the grieving process, often adding trauma and feelings of guilt. There is no time limit on grief, it takes as long as it takes and you can’t just shake it off to fit in with other people’s needs. If OP wasn’t prepared for MiL to bring her grief on holiday it would have been kinder not to invite her.