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to be feeling so upset over this?

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

OP posts:
Bollihobs · 06/08/2025 14:13

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

I think this is a big part of it - the issue has been 'dealt with' by basically being ignored rather than actually addressed so for you at least it's all still unresolved - all the "why's" are unanswered. And now it seems like the other parties have moved on and now there will be no 'sit down and talk about this' moment - but you were still hoping for and needing this. And the realisation that your "happy families" scenario was actually pretty false given SILs rantings is also a disconcerting feeling and again an unresolved one. I think you're at one point with all of this, thought everyone else was there too ie. knowing the issues still needed to be resolved and the holiday plans have shown you that's not the case - SIL is most definitely not wringing her hands and worrying about anything!

It's hard because I doubt the resolution you really want will ever come but there's a lot of good advice and perspective here for you - and so many positives - you and your DH have shown yourselves to be a fantastic team in the face of adversity! Move forward with a well deserved sense of moral superiority over SIL and sod her! And if she tries her crap again come down on her like a ton of bricks!

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:16

PrincessASDaisy · 06/08/2025 12:58

‘After a minor issue about splashing in the pool’ 😬 I’d love to hear the other perspective on this. Growing up we had an aunt that spoiled her kids and let them run wild. She thought everything was ‘minor’ to. Her youngest especially was a bratty child and he’s now a bratty adult.

In my opinion it was minor. My DD splashed my DNephew who didn’t like it and asked her to stop (absolutely understand) but my DD did it again. DH said to DD ‘Come on you need to sit out for 5 minutes if you’re going to keep splashing DNephew. If you do it again you’ll be out for longer so it’s not worth it’ As in missing out on pool time is not worth it for the sake of splashing someone. SIL’s husband then went to SIL who was inside and told her that DH said ‘get out he’s (DNephew) not worth it’ which wasnt the case. She believed her DH as she had no reason not too. I still don’t know why BIL did this. Again another thing that didn’t get spoken about by anyone

OP posts:
JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 14:19

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:30

I don't believe for a minute they are scared of my DH. They have no reason to be. My DNiece called the other day to ask if she could come round to ours to play (which of course we said yes to) and SIL dropped her round. I don't know why she said it

Edited

Let me guess, she's a 'Let's not do that, darling' parent who has never raised her voice at her child, whereas DH is a typical Dad who occasionally barks?

Whose kids are better behaved, out of interest?

Teasloth · 06/08/2025 14:26

You're crying over someone going on holiday that you wouldn't want to go with anyway...

I don't get it I'm afraid.

If I were the sil I'd just think you were a massive drama queen

No one is 'left out'. Book your own holiday?!!!

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:29

JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 14:19

Let me guess, she's a 'Let's not do that, darling' parent who has never raised her voice at her child, whereas DH is a typical Dad who occasionally barks?

Whose kids are better behaved, out of interest?

I’m really not sure what her parenting style is. (I don’t follow a style- I just wing it!) I find it confusing. She seems to very much follow the ‘gentle parenting’ style but will often shout at her kids and then tells the off if they shout back. When she does this it’s hard to watch. I think her children find it confusing but that’s just my opinion. She also encourages my DC to ‘open up’ and says ‘you can always talk to me if you need to’ (I’m glad my DC have the option to do this if there’s something they don’t want to talk about with me or DH) but I’ve asked if my Dniece was ok before as she seemed quiet and her reply was ‘Mum told me I’m not allowed to talk about it. She’s already giving me death stares’ I’ve always felt it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it. I feel that SIL thinks my DC are awful though!

OP posts:
JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 14:45

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:29

I’m really not sure what her parenting style is. (I don’t follow a style- I just wing it!) I find it confusing. She seems to very much follow the ‘gentle parenting’ style but will often shout at her kids and then tells the off if they shout back. When she does this it’s hard to watch. I think her children find it confusing but that’s just my opinion. She also encourages my DC to ‘open up’ and says ‘you can always talk to me if you need to’ (I’m glad my DC have the option to do this if there’s something they don’t want to talk about with me or DH) but I’ve asked if my Dniece was ok before as she seemed quiet and her reply was ‘Mum told me I’m not allowed to talk about it. She’s already giving me death stares’ I’ve always felt it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it. I feel that SIL thinks my DC are awful though!

Sounds like a WHOLE lot of deflection!

She sounds like a frustrated parent (aren't we all, at times?) who is overly judgemental of your parenting because she feels it somehow 'shows her up', especially if your kids do as they are told or either of you show consistency in your approach - exactly what she fails to do, by the sounds of it.

You're better off distanced, I think. She clearly has some kind of grudge and is happy to throw allegations around that are harmful, which you obviously shouldn't put up with.

It's really good that you still have a relationship with their kids and honestly, the fact that she will drop her kids off and leave them with you after all this tells you exactly how 'harmful' she finds her brother's parenting! As in, she doesn't!

1AngelicFruitCake · 06/08/2025 14:47

Not meaning to sound rude, just trying to understand but ‘cheeky but funny with it’ - have you examples of this?
Your husband saying it’s not worth it could come across like if you didn’t have to sit out then upsetting your cousin would be worth it.
When you think back do your children tend to keep going with things such as the splashing and as their cousins are slightly older they have to humour them?

diddl · 06/08/2025 14:50

My DD splashed my DNephew who didn’t like it and asked her to stop (absolutely understand) but my DD did it again. DH said to DD ‘Come on you need to sit out for 5 minutes if you’re going to keep splashing DNephew. If you do it again you’ll be out for longer so it’s not worth it’ As in missing out on pool time is not worth it for the sake of splashing someone. SIL’s husband then went to SIL who was inside and told her that DH said ‘get out he’s (DNephew) not worth it’ which wasnt the case. She believed her DH as she had no reason not too.

I actually think your husband should have taken your daughter straight out of the pool.

Your BIL seems to have reached with his "understanding" of the situation but I can see why SIL had had enough.

Shame she didn't start by apologising for shouting in front of everyone.

feathermucker · 06/08/2025 14:52

Heartbroken and crying multiple times? Because of something you told them you wouldn’t be doing anyway?

Yes, you need to get a grip. Kindly.

ColinOfficeTrolley · 06/08/2025 14:54

'cheeky but funny with it'

😬

Notsosure1 · 06/08/2025 14:55

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:04

Sorry i don' think i explained very well. I didn't want an invite - I just wanted our feelings to be considered but after reading these replies I can see I'm being unreasonable feeling hurt

To be considered how?

I thought from your post you were hurt they didn’t invite you despite you saying you most likely wouldn’t go, and said you’d never go, to them before. But now you’re saying you’re hurt bc they chose to go without you. It would be insane if it was regarding your own parents, but your PIL??

Entitled.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:58

1AngelicFruitCake · 06/08/2025 14:47

Not meaning to sound rude, just trying to understand but ‘cheeky but funny with it’ - have you examples of this?
Your husband saying it’s not worth it could come across like if you didn’t have to sit out then upsetting your cousin would be worth it.
When you think back do your children tend to keep going with things such as the splashing and as their cousins are slightly older they have to humour them?

It’s hard to think of specific examples but they are cheeky as in they crack jokes often, and are quite witty and comical (in my opinion). I’m sure that SIL would see them as ‘rude’ and needing to be ‘put in place’ though. One of DC dies have a tendency to keep going with things which is why my DH felt he should remove her from the pool.

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Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 14:58

Why didn’t your husband get your dd out of the pool right away?

Splashing someone who doesn’t want to be is a horrible thing to do.

and I can totally see why if that’s what you think of as cheeky but funny, coupled with different rules around food and clearing up, SIL and BIL have had enough.

Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:01

I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it.

😬

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:02

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 14:58

Why didn’t your husband get your dd out of the pool right away?

Splashing someone who doesn’t want to be is a horrible thing to do.

and I can totally see why if that’s what you think of as cheeky but funny, coupled with different rules around food and clearing up, SIL and BIL have had enough.

He did remove her from the pool. He then told her that if she chose to do it again she’s have to come out again (for a longer period of time) and it won’t be worth it. Sorry if that’s not how I explained it previously. Yes I believe that SIL and BIL were at the end of their tether with us. It’s just a shame we couldn’t have spoken instead

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ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:02

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:58

It’s hard to think of specific examples but they are cheeky as in they crack jokes often, and are quite witty and comical (in my opinion). I’m sure that SIL would see them as ‘rude’ and needing to be ‘put in place’ though. One of DC dies have a tendency to keep going with things which is why my DH felt he should remove her from the pool.

So, this really comes across as your kids being b poorly behaved while you do nothing about it and think they’re hilarious.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:03

feathermucker · 06/08/2025 14:52

Heartbroken and crying multiple times? Because of something you told them you wouldn’t be doing anyway?

Yes, you need to get a grip. Kindly.

I see this now

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:03

ColinOfficeTrolley · 06/08/2025 14:54

'cheeky but funny with it'

😬

In my opinion yes. I’m not referring to the splashing here - me and my DH didn’t agree with this

OP posts:
Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:04

Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:01

I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it.

😬

Yeah I have to be honest. I cringed at that too. That to me says annoying cheeky kids whose parents think they’re funny.

I wouldn’t have the greatest of patience with parents and kids like that and I’d find being around them for an extended period like a holiday a real struggle.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:07

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:02

He did remove her from the pool. He then told her that if she chose to do it again she’s have to come out again (for a longer period of time) and it won’t be worth it. Sorry if that’s not how I explained it previously. Yes I believe that SIL and BIL were at the end of their tether with us. It’s just a shame we couldn’t have spoken instead

I can totally see why your BIL interpreted it as he did.

why did your husband not tick her off for doing it after the first time and say “do that again and you’ll be out of the pool” - followed up with “you’ve been told. Out. Now”

Honestly op I would really struggle to be on holiday with you with what you’ve described.

sorry. I know that’s not what you want to hear.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:07

ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:02

So, this really comes across as your kids being b poorly behaved while you do nothing about it and think they’re hilarious.

Neither me or DH agreed with the splashing. We don’t find it funny or cheeky. I’m a pretty laid back parent admittedly but not at the expense of upsetting other people (I don’t think so anyway but yes perhaps SIL thinks differently and was frustrated).either way I wish we could have spoken instead of not blowing it up like it did because it’s now beyond repair

OP posts:
Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:09

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:07

Neither me or DH agreed with the splashing. We don’t find it funny or cheeky. I’m a pretty laid back parent admittedly but not at the expense of upsetting other people (I don’t think so anyway but yes perhaps SIL thinks differently and was frustrated).either way I wish we could have spoken instead of not blowing it up like it did because it’s now beyond repair

So why didn’t you or your DH tick her off hard enough after the first time that she didn’t do it again?

other people will never have the tolerance for your kids bad behaviour that you do.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:10

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:07

I can totally see why your BIL interpreted it as he did.

why did your husband not tick her off for doing it after the first time and say “do that again and you’ll be out of the pool” - followed up with “you’ve been told. Out. Now”

Honestly op I would really struggle to be on holiday with you with what you’ve described.

sorry. I know that’s not what you want to hear.

Please don’t be sorry. I posted on here to get perspective and will take all comments on. I will definitely be doing some reflecting on things with the replies I’ve received so I appreciate people’s responses either way. Perhaps we are difficult to be around

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jacksonlambsregulardisorder · 06/08/2025 15:11

The thing is, OP having your own kids brings up a whole heap of stuff from your childhood, as we all know. Plus going away with family slots everyone back into their old dynamics and all those buried and seemingly inconsequential resentments come to the surface again.

You don't really know how it was with your DH and SIL as they were growing up, possibly she is reactive and sensitive, but 'puffing up your chest to be the big man' doesn't sound like a comment, even said in anger that's come out of nowhere.

Give them some space and you some peace - maybe from her perspective she's got it off her chest now.

Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:12

It’s not just the splashing though, it’s the build up of everything. Plus you leave dishes. They like it tidied. That’s hard when you’re all sharing a space.

Cheeky kids in a group is extra hard work. Funny doesn’t mean it’s okay. It’s grating. DN is a PFB single child and is treated like this. Even my DM finds him hard work. It’s not cute, we might laugh awkwardly in their presences, but really it’s just easier when he’s not there. It’s awkward when there’s a massive parenting style gap. Really, it’s just everyday differences, but all these things are magnified when you’re on holiday for a length of time together, in close quarters.

They’ve drawn the lines, you can continue being civil, they don’t need to holiday with you.