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to be feeling so upset over this?

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

OP posts:
baileys6904 · 06/08/2025 19:32

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:47

Yes I think our closeness was an illusion on my part which makes me feel quite foolish and sad. I can only try and improve things from now.

Im not sure why you think it was an illusion?

You also said you didn't want another holiday with them, just like they did with you. However now you say it upsets you that you felt closer than they did. Maybe they feel like that too?

The fact you can now see you sills point of view is a great step on reconciliation. As pplsuggested, invite her for lunch, show a bit of willing, and potentially discuss when you feel able and appropriate.

Both of you have had chance to reflect, and perhaps things aren't as forever-broken as initially feared

I definitely commend your attitude and willingness to accept people's thoughts and opinions BTW, and wish you every luck and happiness in moving forward

Notfeelinit · 06/08/2025 19:52

I think you’re very gracious to take on board and reflect on the feedback here. AIBU can be brutally frank. Clearly you care about understanding what went wrong and how to make things better which is great, I would absolutely focus on this and what to do to help things going forwards. Resist the urge to hold a position of ‘being right’ no matter the cost, as the cost would be the relationships you value and want to salvage (sounds like you want to salvage).

As it sounds like the big blow up came about due to triggering behaviour that was not addressed enough at the time (pool mischief) and probably other things that added to discontent, I would meet SiL and brother halfway and apologise for your part in the contribution to tensions building up. In truth I think we can all be blinded by how irritating our kids can be at times! I guess we can get accustomed to how they can be, especially in their less than lovely moments. So worth a try to meet your SiL and brother halfway and being accountable for your part in things breaking down. It absolutely sounds like the straw that broke the camels back so there would have been other things that got under their skin maybe you didn’t notice. This absolutely goes both ways of course.

Someone else suggested having a chat with your SiL but leave out the whole holiday thing. I think this is a great idea, focus on what you can do to repair bridges, and put the holiday thing away for a future discussion when everyone has cooled off. It is too contentious a topic at the moment and will just cause more disagreements /upset if you tried to discuss it now.

Radiatorsa · 06/08/2025 19:56

OP, great that this thread has given you clarity.
Your SIL reacted poorly perhaps, but there is something about your child being teased and upset that can bring out a furious, disproportionate response, in even a normally calm parent.

It's quite primal. I hope you can move on from this and enjoy many holidays with your in laws and family going forward.

FWIW I wouldn't go on holiday with anyone, neither would my husband and we all really get on, as do the children.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 06/08/2025 23:19

Ablondiebutagoody · 06/08/2025 10:30

I don't see the big deal. Why can't your in-laws go on holiday with their daughter without you? Why can't you go with the in-laws on another occasion if you want to?

I agree

Ceceprincess80 · 07/08/2025 17:58

You said you would not do another holiday with them. They have taken you at your word and they are doing a holiday. You are being unreasonable to be upset about not being included in the discussion. If your in laws (DH parents) are not an issue invite them to go on holiday the year after and take turns. I mean it's a suggestion

Spinmerightroundbaby · 07/08/2025 18:06

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

YABU. You mutually agreed you wouldn’t go on holidays together for good reason. Things are civil now - going on another holiday would ruin that. Just accept you have big parenting differences, holidays don’t work for you, but you are in good terms again.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 07/08/2025 21:18

Sounds like SIL waited for things to settle before inviting In-laws OP, so maybe she did feel it would be awkward previously, but now not so much as you're all cordial.

Like others have said, it could be that no one was wrong with the splashing but the shouting tipped it over.

SIL might be too embarrassed to apologise or BIL is a stirrer, whatever the case, take each day as it comes.

Cousins have a relationship, which is the most important thing, things do come full circle, so don't stress about it and leave the apologys to your DH and SIL.

LandladyofTheValley · 08/08/2025 07:22

I agree with you @SunnyStrawberriestheir behaviour means they are clearly siding with the view of your SIL. So she is over strict and then rude to you both, and engaged in behaviour that was both embarrassing and ruined the holiday (and subsequent holidays) yet they go away with her?
No contact time. Cut them off. Fuck being civil. Honestly, I've done the same recently with my in laws and it's bliss.

5128gap · 08/08/2025 07:35

You can't expect your in laws not to go on holiday with their daughter because their son and daughter have fallen out, or vice versa. They're in a horrible position anyway, it must be very distressing for your adult DC to fall out. It doesn't improve that position if that means you never get to holiday again with either of them. No one has done anything wrong here. Invite them away yourself.

Namechangetry · 08/08/2025 08:01

LandladyofTheValley · 08/08/2025 07:22

I agree with you @SunnyStrawberriestheir behaviour means they are clearly siding with the view of your SIL. So she is over strict and then rude to you both, and engaged in behaviour that was both embarrassing and ruined the holiday (and subsequent holidays) yet they go away with her?
No contact time. Cut them off. Fuck being civil. Honestly, I've done the same recently with my in laws and it's bliss.

If you read all the OPs posts you'll see she's a lot more reasonable than you are. You cut relatives off with no contact for going on holiday with their own child?

LandladyofTheValley · 08/08/2025 08:23

Namechangetry · 08/08/2025 08:01

If you read all the OPs posts you'll see she's a lot more reasonable than you are. You cut relatives off with no contact for going on holiday with their own child?

Not in my case no. It was a culmination of disgusting incidents with my SILs which the final straw was one of them deliberately sabotaging part of my wedding and then telling my DH that she didn't believe I was good enough for him and he could've done better. Before that there was constant nasty comments about my DDs sexuality, organising a rare family dinner out we actually got invited to at a fish restaurant knowing DS is deathly allergic to just being in the same room as fish and other such bullshit.
The fact the SIL here has not even apologized for her behaviour means she should really not be taking priority. I put up with shit for years which upset my DCs and it's had a horrific effect on their well-being. The fact OPs DCs are now upset is indicative of what's to come unless you remove the upset causes from them. In the long run it's far better.

LilacReader · 08/08/2025 16:01

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

But why wouldn't you? As I was reading I just thought well problem solved - you'll both go on holiday with ILs separately. It doesn't even seem to be a thing worth worrying/thinking about.

Sorry OP, you lost me on this 'problem'.

Chinsupmeloves · 08/08/2025 17:22

You can still go on holiday with parents, just not SIL, same for her?

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 08/08/2025 23:42

LandladyofTheValley · 08/08/2025 07:22

I agree with you @SunnyStrawberriestheir behaviour means they are clearly siding with the view of your SIL. So she is over strict and then rude to you both, and engaged in behaviour that was both embarrassing and ruined the holiday (and subsequent holidays) yet they go away with her?
No contact time. Cut them off. Fuck being civil. Honestly, I've done the same recently with my in laws and it's bliss.

The parents don't have to choose sides, they can go on holiday separately with OP's family and the SIL. No need for more drama as OP says everyone is now civil.

Going NC goes against what OP is trying to achieve, a united family.

Thank goodness not everyone is quick to go NC.
The cousins would miss out on important relationships and relationships could get better with time.

Sadworld23 · 09/08/2025 00:23

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

Hrft but its reasonable to feel excluded even if you wanted to be excluded.

It's hurtful when people arrange nice stuff without including you, even if you'd rather not go.

So it's OK to feel put out, but one of those things you have to suck up and smile about.

Parata · 14/08/2025 13:02

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:12

I think what I wanted was just a conversation before it was booked (definitely not an invite!). Something along the lines of 'After last time we all agreed not to go on holiday as a big family but we are going to invite mum and dad away with us'. Perhaps it's the lack of conversation that's bothering me it was just booked. I thought we were in a place where we could at least talk about it but I do understand that they owe me nothing and I am being dramatic about it. I think it's just brought back to me that we are not close like we used to be and that's what has upset me

But why would they do that? That would be them rubbing it in your face! Sort of saying: 'We want to invite the ILs but we don't want you - just in case you had any doubt". We do all sorts of combinations in my family. I am just happy my parents (or the ILs) are getting a good experience (and am happy I can decide when to go or not, rather than feel obliged to go to everything).

Parata · 14/08/2025 13:22

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:24

Honestly I’m sorry I don’t mean to be sticking the boot in. It’s clear you are reflecting on things. But is it the case that you even subconsciously know there’s been some fault on both sides?

A lot of people do struggle with cheeky but funny. Because it’s just cheeky to them.

I would have gone absolutely postal about the splashing. She would have been told firmly stop that at once the minute it became clear her cousin was upset. And if she had done it again I would have had her straight out of the pool and by the side. Not spending a long time explaining you’ll have to be out longer he/it’s not worth it. Because that’s putting the blame on the cousin. I’d have simply said out. Now. Sit here. And you’re not getting back in until I tell you.

I really do know how hard it is to be on holiday with another family. I’ve done it twice when I was married and laid it down hard to my then husband that I would never be doing it again.

there was just too much of a difference between us, and whilst that didn’t matter for an afternoon visit, being stuck together for a couple of weeks in the same place made it a nightmare.

I guess it depends on what is meant by splashing. I understood the OP to mean one 'push' of water. I would not intervene at that point either (as I expect my child to change behaviour if they can see that the other child was unhappy/said stop). I don't feel a need to escalate everything without giving the children (in this case) ONE opportunity to sort it out themselves. I would intervene the second time though as clearly now my child is misbhevaing. If the splashing was prolonged or continuous though then that is another thing.

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