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to be feeling so upset over this?

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

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PurpleThistle7 · 06/08/2025 12:28

@SunnyStrawberries - do you think there's any sort of outcome a conversation would help you achieve? You have very inherent differences and your sister in law and husband trigger each other (and I would guess that it's pretty mutual after years of sibling stuff). So what would be the best possible outcome, even if you rehashed everything and talked about it again? I think it's possible that your husband and his sister ignored their differences for a long time and then it all just exploded after way too much time in the same space.

It sounds like you spend time together, just not overnights which is a great compromise already. I can't see anything productive that would come from going back around on this situation again. I don't think either of you are likely to encourage each other to take your children away without the parents, and it doesn't sound like your parenting styles overlap enough to make either of you happy with that. So again... you're not going to get to a situation where you're all travelling together.

I think it's really unfair for the grandparents here. Am guessing they'd love the opportunity to reset and to be included in your family again. It's a shame that they're bundled together with the sister in your mind. I think it would be nice (assuming no issues there!) to just invite them along to something soon. Even just a weekend away or similar if you can manage it. Time to let the past go and figure out what your happy family memories will be in the future.

MomOfTwoGirls2 · 06/08/2025 12:30

Op, see it as an opportunity.
Now you can go ahead and invite PIL to join you on future holidays. SIL has already set the precedent.

Also it is lovely to holiday with just your immediate family. You don’t need everyone else there to have a marvellous time.

I would also be tempted to post some photos of things SIL doesn’t agree with from your upcoming holiday. Happy children with ice cream, fun splashing in the pool, smiling family at table with empty dishes not yet cleared away 😊

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:30

SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:26

But what if her kids ARE scared of their uncle? Should that not be a concern to her?

I don't believe for a minute they are scared of my DH. They have no reason to be. My DNiece called the other day to ask if she could come round to ours to play (which of course we said yes to) and SIL dropped her round. I don't know why she said it

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Missanimosity · 06/08/2025 12:31

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:33

I didn't want an invite

You did want an invite, you said on your post that you would have said no anyway. And said that your children will be hurt seeing them on holiday together, what difference dies it make if you would have said no anyway? Or if you had the "discussion"? You can't control what other people are doing, your kids shouldn't be hurt for seeing their cousins on holiday, this is your doing for not managing their expectations. Sorry but you sound like hard work, is either you want to go or you don't, you told them you don't so rightfully they didn't invite you, nobody here did anything wrong! And the discussion thing is madness, is like them asking permission from you? They don't have to, nor do they have to run it by you is their holiday their family, it doesen't make sense.

SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:33

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:30

I don't believe for a minute they are scared of my DH. They have no reason to be. My DNiece called the other day to ask if she could come round to ours to play (which of course we said yes to) and SIL dropped her round. I don't know why she said it

Edited

Well that's really positive if the kids are still having playdates and SIL is willingly dropping them round! It did sound from your OP that meet ups were scarce now.

Given you're still having that level of contact, I find it weird that your DH hasn't sat down with his sister to address her accusations. If someone accused me of scaring their kids, I would want to get to the bottom of it.

How old are the kids?

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:35

Missanimosity · 06/08/2025 12:31

You did want an invite, you said on your post that you would have said no anyway. And said that your children will be hurt seeing them on holiday together, what difference dies it make if you would have said no anyway? Or if you had the "discussion"? You can't control what other people are doing, your kids shouldn't be hurt for seeing their cousins on holiday, this is your doing for not managing their expectations. Sorry but you sound like hard work, is either you want to go or you don't, you told them you don't so rightfully they didn't invite you, nobody here did anything wrong! And the discussion thing is madness, is like them asking permission from you? They don't have to, nor do they have to run it by you is their holiday their family, it doesen't make sense.

I don't really know what I wanted to be honest. The replies have made me look a little deeper into it and I have some clarity on my feelings now. This is not about the holiday like I thought at first.

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:40

SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:33

Well that's really positive if the kids are still having playdates and SIL is willingly dropping them round! It did sound from your OP that meet ups were scarce now.

Given you're still having that level of contact, I find it weird that your DH hasn't sat down with his sister to address her accusations. If someone accused me of scaring their kids, I would want to get to the bottom of it.

How old are the kids?

I also find it really weird that they haven't had a conversation - in fact I find it really frustrating because I too want to understand why she said some of the things she did. I think it's too late for that now. They are both seeming ok for things to continue as they are. My nieces and nephews are 8, 12 and 15. I'm glad they can still come round to play/visit albeit not as much as they used to.

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hmmimnotsurewhy · 06/08/2025 12:43

I think it’s do with you needing to be liked / approval from her.
You wouldn’t have done it to her because you know it would possibly upset her and you didn’t want that.
She does it easily and shouts at her brother and you, because she doesn’t hold you at the same level of respect as other people.
i think you just need to stand up for yourself and don’t allow her to have so much power over you.

diddl · 06/08/2025 12:51

Your SIL behaved badly, yet you’re the ones that are missing out.

Are they missing out though?

SIL has invited her parents on her holiday.

How does that affect Op?

She could equally invite her ILs on her own holiday.

drhf · 06/08/2025 12:53

There is an asymmetry in your behaviour towards your husband’s sister versus your expectations of her. You expect her to figure out her own parenting when you offer your children ice cream, and you expect her to wait patiently when you decide to delay doing your share of the chores. OK. But you also expect her to prioritise your emotions when she organises a holiday with her parents without inviting you.

There seems to be some deep family stuff going on for you. You still expect a deep level of care and consideration from her which you didn’t show to her even when you were close - perhaps an unhealthy and excessive level of consideration.

What about your husband in this? He seems oblivious to everyone else’s feelings, both his parents’ and yours. Clearly he doesn’t see his broken relationship with his sister as much of a loss. For both you and his sister, could this situation could be about him, and how you both navigate his behaviour? Withdrawal when confronted with any unwelcome emotion can be a very effective technique of control.

I wouldn’t discount his sister’s comment that her kids are scared of your husband. That is a very specific remark which most people would not make casually. Fear can be a response to emotional detachment. If your sister’s children find your husband intimidating, it could be illuminating to find out why.

PrincessASDaisy · 06/08/2025 12:58

‘After a minor issue about splashing in the pool’ 😬 I’d love to hear the other perspective on this. Growing up we had an aunt that spoiled her kids and let them run wild. She thought everything was ‘minor’ to. Her youngest especially was a bratty child and he’s now a bratty adult.

pinkyredrose · 06/08/2025 13:10

You didn't want to do any more family holidays so you haven't been invited. Isn't that what you wanted?

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 13:15

YABU. You told them you didn't want to do any more family holidays, so there was no reason for them to consider you. And it sounds best all round that you don't change your mind on that.

Bestfootforward11 · 06/08/2025 13:17

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:32

Sorry, perhaps discussion was the wrong word. Obviously she doesn't owe us anything or mention it to us. I think i miss our previous closeness and that's what I'm upset about. I'm upset that this is the way that it is now and them going away (which they absolutely have the right to do) has brought it all back for me

I understand what you mean. And completely ok to feel hurt and sad for how things used to be. I think no one is really sure what to do here. I can imagine the PIL might feel a bit stuck and didn’t want to refuse the invite from the sister and at the same time didn’t want to upset your DH so it wasn’t raised. I guess they may feel they are doing what was agreed last year after the argument. Really just it give it time.

surreygirl1987 · 06/08/2025 13:18

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

What do you mean, they are doing something you wouldn't do? As in, you wouldn't go on holiday with your inlaws without the rest of the family (even though you've already told them no more whole family holidays)? Or that you'd consult them first (even though there's nothing to discuss - the decision has been made). They are doing nothing wrong by going away!

Epidote · 06/08/2025 13:19

You don't want to be invited, why you want to consulted?
They said that not more holidays together and I agree. Better stay away.

LoveItaly · 06/08/2025 13:23

You are being unreasonable, but I think you know that already. On the plus side, you are now free to holiday in future years with just your husband’s parents, without any guilt.

mumofbun · 06/08/2025 13:26

Could it be possible you are actually upset with your PIL for not telling you about the holiday when it was suggested?

Moonlightbean123 · 06/08/2025 13:32

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

Op you're not being ridiculous. You're feeling sensitive and its understandable but on the flip side of this your sil has every right to take her mum and dad on holiday with her.. you're free to do the same. Grandparents do spend time alone with individual grandkids and as long they show the same love back to your kids then don't give it a second thought. Personally I think having an inlaw free holiday sounds like a dream so why dont u see it from that point of view. Let your sil take of her parents and u go and enjoy your time making memories within your kids and hubby.

baileys6904 · 06/08/2025 13:37

Playing devil's advocate, if I was away on holiday with family, and told me kids no to an ice cream ( too close to dinner, had enough treats, whatever) and then their cousins were given one anyway. I can see why that would cause ill feeling and drive me up the wall eventually.

Difference in Parenting styles can cause tensions in close proximity so I can understand how that could be the straw that broke the camels back and not make the sil a bad person.

I lost my brother a good few years ago, and still mourn the fact we'd not been able to do joint holidays or see each other's kids etc. I hope you are able to all move forward from something that sounds like a bit of a melt down in the wake of many more times of good memories.

Shambles123 · 06/08/2025 13:47

God, you dodged a bullet. Go on a lovely family holiday where you can relax and parent as you want to. Holidays with relatives are always exhausting.

Notfeelinit · 06/08/2025 14:02

I’m so sorry you’re upset OP and wanted to come on to give you a virtual hug.

I can totally relate to your sadness about the situation, family rifts are devastating, no matter the circumstance of who did what/ what he said she said / who was right or wrong. The reality of having a previously close and happy family dynamic blown apart is world shattering. Something similar happened to us a few years ago (not involving us directly but immediate family) and the resulting rift was deep and devastating. We tried tried to encourage bridge building but it was (and still is) very hard. Another rift happened on the other side of the family a year or so later and my DH and I felt like leaves tossed in a storm. We love them so much and they were close before, so it was hard and the grief was real. Time has helped and it is better but nothing like it used to be. I want to encourage you that the pain and difficulty will fade over time and getting together will be different to before, but where there’s love you’ll find a way ❤️‍🩹

To me your post speaks of the grief of loss and how it has impacted your family and all the families involved. Your hurt and desire for them to have spoken to you about the holiday wasn’t because you needed permission, but that you are so upset about all of it and miss the happy and easy going times. Theory eg ‘we won’t be able to holiday together anymore’ is very different to how the reality hit feels. It also cements the rift and opens up that family wound afresh. Just because you agreed you wouldn’t be able to go away all together anymore doesn’t mean it won’t be painful when it happens. I had to bear the grief of a family member who was the uninvited and it was just awful. I felt so helpless because I couldn’t make it better, but just decided to love them all best I could. Love is very disarming and diffusing, deserved or not it is water on a fire.

I hear you though OP, I miss my group family holidays too (and as a mum I miss the times my DC are missing out on that ‘all the family, all together’ thing 😢) it sounds v fresh and raw for you right now. If you are able, try to forgive your SiL. I don’t approve her behaviour but is likely she was frazzled and snapped (holidays with kids are stressful). When you feel more settled maybe try to meet with her 1-to-1 for a coffee or something and try to repair the breach, be the one to hold out the olive branch. You’ve nothing to lose and if you have any love for her, let it show (even if she was in the wrong).

MargaretThursday · 06/08/2025 14:05

PrincessASDaisy · 06/08/2025 12:58

‘After a minor issue about splashing in the pool’ 😬 I’d love to hear the other perspective on this. Growing up we had an aunt that spoiled her kids and let them run wild. She thought everything was ‘minor’ to. Her youngest especially was a bratty child and he’s now a bratty adult.

I thought that too.

I suspect the OP wanted to be asked so she could do a big dramatic "no" really, and she's put out at being denied that.

BunnyLake · 06/08/2025 14:07

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

I can't understand what your issue is. Your dh don’t want to holiday with his sister anymore and she doesn’t want to holiday with her brother. That is what is happening, so what’s the problem?

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:09

MargaretThursday · 06/08/2025 14:05

I thought that too.

I suspect the OP wanted to be asked so she could do a big dramatic "no" really, and she's put out at being denied that.

I really didn’t want to give a big dramatic ‘no’. If you read my posts I think I’ve figured out why feeling sad now and it’s not because I don’t get to say ‘No’. Im not like that at all believe it or not

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