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to be feeling so upset over this?

267 replies

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

OP posts:
Topseyt123 · 06/08/2025 12:00

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:53

MIL in law has told me that she is upset about the whole situation (a bit like me) but doesn't want to say no to her daughter which i get. She said either way someone was going to be upset and she was in a no win situation

No need for anyone to be upset. Everyone seems more relaxed about separate holidays going forward and maintaining a civil relationship on other occasions.

Just leave it alone. All this drama doesn't help.

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 12:02

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:58

Thank you

I don't get this at all. In what way is the OP being excluded and missing out?? They've been told they can take PILs on holiday. They're going on their own family holiday. They don't want to go with SIL. It's just looking for upset to frame this as being excluded when it's their decision and a very sensible one at that.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 12:03

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 12:00

I think MIL is just being nice and trying to say the right things to each of you. You're interpreting it through the lens of the bossy SIL and MIL falling in line, but MIL has said they'd go away with your family too. They're just parents who love their children and GC and want to keep you all happy. It'd probably be for the best if you don't offload to MIL about being upset and put her feelings first too. The sooner you can stop dwelling on the past upset and get in gear with this actually much more workable situation where you go on happier holidays with people who get on, the better it'll be for everyone, including you and your family.

Yeah I agree with this.

I have adult kids and sometimes I can see it’s both of them at fault. But they are each so angry that it’s not helpful for me to say that and I studiously don’t take sides.

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 12:05

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 12:00

I think MIL is just being nice and trying to say the right things to each of you. You're interpreting it through the lens of the bossy SIL and MIL falling in line, but MIL has said they'd go away with your family too. They're just parents who love their children and GC and want to keep you all happy. It'd probably be for the best if you don't offload to MIL about being upset and put her feelings first too. The sooner you can stop dwelling on the past upset and get in gear with this actually much more workable situation where you go on happier holidays with people who get on, the better it'll be for everyone, including you and your family.

This is spot on. I suspect the MIL thinks they were both being unreasonable and is just trying to remain neutral.

I'm sure she's said exactly the same comments to SIL about the OP and her DH.

I hope the OP listens to this advice.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 12:06

And also. I’ve said this before in a different thread recently. But. Families are hard for you as an in law. You don’t know all the years of interaction and small deep hurts with each other when they were children. Perceived injustices from when they were young.

it might’ve been the straw that broke the SIL’s back.

I blew up at my brother once about a carton of apple and blackcurrant drink. But it wasn’t about that. It was about 30 years of hurt. And stuff going back years. And he had hit a nerve.

me and him got past it, and we are cordial now - but my mum never took sides and left us to sort it out between us. And that’s exactly as it should be. It’s not for your MIL to take sides.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:07

MixedFeelingsNoFeelings · 06/08/2025 11:59

FWIW OP, I was one of the few to say you aren't being unreasonable to find this hurtful. I'm sure you have no intention of "dictating" what other family members do about their holiday, or having the attitude that 'if we don't go away, no-one goes away.' Quite the opposite. To me it sounds like you're the most accommodating and conciliatory member of the family, who's taken a fair amount of shit from SIL over the years to keep the peace

But the shock and hurt of SIL's very public meltdown with her brother/your DH cut deep, affecting DC too, and I'm not surprised you're wondering why no-one else seems to care about that. Particularly the grandparents, who seem to be taking a studiedly neutral stance in all this. Sounds like everyone's a bit scared of SIL.

So no, I don't think it's unreasonable from an emotional point of view. But there's a very bright silver lining to all this, which is that your family is liberated from those awful-sounding family holidays. What WOULD be unreasonable is to cling on to those hurt feelings and keep crying over it. You don't want DC to grow up feeling rejected by their wider family. So wipe your eyes, shrug it off - their loss, after all - and plan fun family holidays just for yourselves!!

Thank you so much for your reply. You've summed up how I see the situation perfectly

OP posts:
SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:09

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:50

They didn't take anyone's side. Just said they were upset that it happened. They have told us they'd go away with us if we invited them so no issue there. On reflection I think we didn't consider a holiday with PIL's and not SIL's family as we wouldn't want to bring it to the forefront again just as we were all civil. SIL obviously doesn't see a problem. I feel that I'm upset about the fall out and she's not which again is fine. I see this is a 'me' issue now

Or maybe she is still upset and is aware that them asking her parents would be a problem for you, but decided that making sure your in-laws didn't miss out on a holiday this year was more important than any beef you have going on? It's fine for you all to say no family holidays but your PIL would have been left high and dry.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:10

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 12:05

This is spot on. I suspect the MIL thinks they were both being unreasonable and is just trying to remain neutral.

I'm sure she's said exactly the same comments to SIL about the OP and her DH.

I hope the OP listens to this advice.

Edited

I will absolutely take this advice on board. MIL hasn't done anything wrong

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Begaydocrime94 · 06/08/2025 12:11

I’d want to hear the POV from the sister in law. Sounds like there has been resentment for a while- I wonder why? Sounds like your husband has just walked away from it all? Has he tried to speak to his sister?
fwiw I understand you feeling upset. Xx

SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:11

Also, has your DH tried to sit down with his sister 1-1 to sort out the issue? It was their row, not yours, not your BIL's, not your PILs or the kids – they need to sort it out.

Holdonforsummer · 06/08/2025 12:11

The way I read this is that the brother and sister won’t holiday together anymore so they can go and invite the parents and you can go separately and invite the parents separately. No?

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:16

Begaydocrime94 · 06/08/2025 12:11

I’d want to hear the POV from the sister in law. Sounds like there has been resentment for a while- I wonder why? Sounds like your husband has just walked away from it all? Has he tried to speak to his sister?
fwiw I understand you feeling upset. Xx

He has walked away. He is civil but that's it. He has no interest in having a conversation with his sister. He says they are just different and 'they'll never see eye to eye so what's the point' which I understand - there's no point in having a conversation that could potentially set them back again. It's just upsetting for me that I no longer have the 'big happy family' that I thought we were which I know i need to get over

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Snorlaxo · 06/08/2025 12:18

I was ready to sympathise about the different parenting styles being tough on holiday but yabu to be gutted that you don’t get a family holiday invite.

Your h and his sister said no group holidays and that’s fine. Both of you having separate holidays with ILs sound like a perfect compromise. Going on holiday all together risks fights that kids shouldn’t witness and group holidays are difficult enough with people that you do get along with!

What’s the point of being asked if you were going to say no any way? It’s better that SIL doesn’t play that game and issue you with an invitation that you are expected to say no to. Imagine the argument if you said yes and went on the holiday? MIL telling your h was her act of consideration towards your feelings. She wouldn’t want to be chilling on holiday while your h found out about it on social media after the fact.

Your husband’s family are clearly not fans of talking about feelings and I’m not surprised that SIL didn’t ask you on this holiday. You admit things are civil but not warm like in the past.

If you want the kids to go on holiday together in future then I’d consider asking if the kids can join your holiday and hope that yours get an invite back but if things like whether or not having ice cream causes tension then I wonder if how much you and her gave/didn’t give ice cream type stuff would cause problems later?

SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:19

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:16

He has walked away. He is civil but that's it. He has no interest in having a conversation with his sister. He says they are just different and 'they'll never see eye to eye so what's the point' which I understand - there's no point in having a conversation that could potentially set them back again. It's just upsetting for me that I no longer have the 'big happy family' that I thought we were which I know i need to get over

Does he care that his refusal to make genuine amends with his DSis negatively impacts you and your DC and his parents?

Not saying it's all on him though – has your SIL tried to make amends at all beyond being civil?

ladyofshertonabbas · 06/08/2025 12:19

There's no way you should all holiday together again, you agreed that, so they were right not to invite or discuss with you.

Dancingsquirrels · 06/08/2025 12:20

I don't think the holiday is the issue

This is about the previous argument

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/08/2025 12:21

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

Something you wouldn't do... so after all that drama, you would still invite SIL on a group holiday? That isn't something to be proud of.

SanctusInDistress · 06/08/2025 12:22

If you want to go on an all-family holiday again, then start up a group chat and ask?

seems like you are overthinking things and ruminating too much. It’s the ruminating that leads to bad blood.

Noshadelamp · 06/08/2025 12:22

What are you saying, it's all or nothing, everyone together (which has now been ruled out) or the inlaws can never go on holiday with any of their children and grandchildren?

Doesn't make sense.

Of course you can invite your inlaws, it's perfectly normal.

Cousins shouldn't mind as they also get the same opportunity to have a holiday with their grandparents.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:22

I just waned to thank everyone for the replies and perspective on this. It's been good to hear how others see this and I can see now that the holiday isn't the issue here. I think it's just brought things back for me. We never had a conversation about what happened or tried to resolve anything. I also understand that after all this time it is probably best to let this lie. I'm upset that things are this way now but I need to accept it for what it is and move on with my life. Thanks again everyone

OP posts:
SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:24

I also want to clarify that I absolutely didn't want an invite. The replies have been really helpful in making me realise what I'm actually feeling upset about so thank you

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Chompingatthebeat · 06/08/2025 12:25

The sister sounds incredibly mean, she shoudn't be throwing out insults and causing family rifts because she thinks she's the perfect parent

JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 12:25

YANBU to react to the SIL's truly pathetic behaviour with hurt, or to opt to not holiday with them any more, or to feel a bit hurt that they've gone away with PILs without at least a conversation broaching the subject from MIL.

BUT...

You cannot demand that because you have opted out of family holidays that they have to also.

If you want a holiday with PILs and the kids, have one, but you don't get to tell them they can't.

YetAnotherAlias62 · 06/08/2025 12:25

If/when you book your next family holiday, will you be inviting your SIL and her family? Or even discussing it with them? I'm guessing the answer to both is No.
YABVU

SuperTrooper1111 · 06/08/2025 12:26

Chompingatthebeat · 06/08/2025 12:25

The sister sounds incredibly mean, she shoudn't be throwing out insults and causing family rifts because she thinks she's the perfect parent

But what if her kids ARE scared of their uncle? Should that not be a concern to her?

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