Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

[Holmints]

I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

And you know this how? Many people have found no problem keeping the weight off. Their body has reset, their habits have changed, job done. Anyway, do you feel the same about people who are on other medications for life? Blood pressure medication works while you take it, after all…

I am Asian, so am overweight for an Asian. I need to be below 23 ideally.

So then why take the drug in the first place?

the drug is marketed as "you were not able to lose weight without taking this drug, you will only be able to lose weight if you take this drug".

Everyone i know that is taking mounjaro, is saying that they want to take it for the rest of their life, as they are afraid that if they stop, they will put the weight back on.

It is psychological marketing. It puts fear into people that they cant maintain their weight without using this injection

That's me!

I hate being skinny, genuinely, but also need to be to, you know, live a long life.

Lots of reasons:

I am build for curves, I'm short and busty, and from genetics that went through famine, Im not from a elegant skinny line, I'm from a cuddly hobbit line, and is so every I love. I fit clothes better skinny, but I don't prefer myself naked skinny.

I'm sexually attractive to chunkier people: NOT unhealthily obese people, but like wildlings from GOT chunky, look like they could survive a quest through the wilderness chunky. So I don't feel sexy myself when I'm skinny.

Boney sex is yuck.

The fat phobes really show you their ugly when YOU are also thin. They do a poor job at holding it in when you're fat, but when you're thin they show you their whole ugly faces. The praise and acceptance is so disgusting to me. Its harder for me to be around them thin than fat. Instead of side comments and looks It becomes overt AND THE WORST PART is they expect you to be delighted by their "compliments" It makes me act obnoxious. I tolerate them better when they're holding it in (badly). Things like interviewing well with people you interviews with badly a few stone heavier, even if you went in better prepared the first time and jaded the second, just thinner: YUCK YUCK YUCK.

I've lost a heap of weight on the jabs: for my mobility & for my cardiac health

Did I hate the "fat" itself no! I hate the fat phobia dresses up as healthy concerns (BOLLOCKS, I am no better at my job thin than fat, my future health concerns are mine and the people who fully love me, no interview panel cares how I age!).

I hate having to have 3 sizes in my wardrobe at once because there's more fluctuation when you're fat, and all the associated environmental/fast fashion guilt. And another two sizes either size packed away for weight changes. And getting judged by people with eco brand capsule wardrobes for choosing the only brands that cater to my fat shape and size

I hate that professionalism is a look not behaviours, actions and skills. I've only ever been promoted when skinny, and often at that under qualified. I've been the best qualified on shortlists fat and failed. Not isolated events. Undeniable patterns.

I hate hate hate that people who have never been very fat / obese, do not believe fat people, about anything to do with being fat. Including that it might have been when they felt happiest despite subsequently losing weight. I'm healthier thinner, I'm not necessarily happier than way. I miss the softness and curves.

And there's a WHOLE EXTRA layer of rage once you use the jabs: when you realise that the way you feel on the jabs: satisfied, able to be hungy-ish but still wait or concentrate on other things, etc, is just the way the fat phobes feels ALL THE TIME and they genuinely believe that fat people are walking around having eaten "enough" to get on with their day and tasks, and and just CHOSING to stuff their faces beyond station!

I hate that if I go to a doctor fat, they don't look past the fat as the cause for all your symptoms. Even when it was your symptoms that caused you to gain weight. And I hate that if you go to them thin and on the jabs, they try to match you symptoms up with side effects of the jab, even if they don't even slightly correlate.

Not only that, they don't like the playing field being levelled! When all people are doing is making their body feel like your body feels if you are someone for whom eat-less-move-more works!

Can you tell from my tone how much angrier I am skinny than fat?

Ah, my bad. I'm also 5'7" and around 11 stone is my goal weight which was why it stood out to me.

I came off them 10 months ago and have maintained my weight (BMI 22)

I didn’t need to change my diet or lifestyle, I needed a drug that would allow me to keep my very low calorie intake forever (maintenance is 1000 calories for me).

only a drug could do that as obviously I was hungrier than a thousand calories a day.

I will be on it forever as I’m short/menopausal/have various hormone issues. And I’m happy to pay for it.

younger, taller, fitter people than me may need to make lifestyle changes to come off it. Unfortunately that isn’t possible for me as nothing works to keep me within a 1000 calories.

I’ve made no changes to my diet. I have done the same thing as I’ve done the last 5 years, intermittent fasting and eating protein first every day. I eat the same thing every day as I did before the injections.

it took me a year to lose to healthy bmi at less than 0.5 to 1lb per week average.

The whole point of discussions about this should be that everyone is different.

So why take statins if you need to stay on then to retain the benefits?

Why take blood pressure pills if you have to keep taking them?

Why go to the dentist if going once then never again doesn't protect your teeth for life?

Why join a gym? You gotta keep it up for life otherwise you decondition!

Why mow your lawn? Didn't you do that once and it didn't last for life?

My mother was told by her doctor that she had to take blood pressure tablets and pay for them.

She got her blood pressure checked by someone else and her blood pressure was normal.

We later found out that her doctor was getting paid money by pharma companies to prescribe certain drugs.

Another scam

Don't know the ins and outs, but happy to state what is and isn't fact?

No, when you stop taking WLI, you don't put the weight back on the next minute. The fact you have such a lack of understanding of what they do and how they work, means this probably isnt a topic to be vocal on.

Do you feel the same about all long term medications? Deisgned to make a profit rather than help people with a chronic condition? Of course the pharmaceutical industry is almost unethically overpriced but I'm not sure that's a conspiracy...just capitalism!

In the UK?

You’ve lost me here. What do you mean why take it in the first place?

Dont twist my words.

I said i dont know the ins and outs of every drug. None of us do. It wouldnt be possible.

I said i do know what was said to me by people i know in the pharma industry about how corrupt the pharmaceutical system is. It is all profit profit profit.

Why are you so angry by the way?

I've been on the jabs for a long time now, and have taken weight loss breaks and not re-gained any weight by taking tiny doses spread out.

I don't love my body thin so I've stopped losing and maintained for months at a time to adjust mentally to my smaller shape, then when I've been ready I've started losing again.

One of the huge advantages of the jab is that if you use it for maintenance, it supports maintenance! Not just weight loss

In stark contrast to the likes of WW who would never support me to maintain unless I was at the very bottom of normal BMI, close to under weight!

Yeah if you lose too fast you won't sustain it but that's the same for any type of weight loss. The difference the jab makes for me, compared to traditional weight loss/maintenance plans, is that it's adjustable and flexible, Vs traditional plans where you're either on the wagon, or off it

But I'm sure someone who has never needed it will be along shortly to tell me I lie, or tell of a rare exception, and everyone they know who has used it gained it all back and then some

Well maybe that's cause the success stories wouldn't dare confidence in the likes of you, that they're doing very well on it, and have been for quite some time!

Because people that make things up about things they know nothing about to bolster their point, are irritating.

I'm not twisting your words - you said you don't know the ins and outs of every drug, Mounjaro clearly being one that falls into this category and yet have made multiple (wrong) statements about its use and efficacy.

Re your mums doctor prescribing pills for profit - drug reps can come to meetings to tell dr's about their medications - might bring lunch/biros along for free - but that has no relation to whether or not a doctor chooses to prescribe them or not. “Certain drugs” will be allowed according to NICE guidelines/local formularies, the individual doctor can choose according to that, but wouldn’t ever get paid by a drug company according to which one they were or were not prescribing!! Pharma companies wouldn’t even know which doctor was/wasn’t using what…

In the NHS at least…. Not sure why you’d need to go private just for your BP though!

My HRT stops working if I stop taking that too
My partners psych meds stop working if they stop taking them too
Epilepsy meds stop working if you stop taking them.
Painkillers stop working if you stop taking them.

So why start?

It's such a stupid question how are you not embarrassed?

Why is this only ever an arguement about meds that support normal appetite regulation? (You don't need to answer, we all know why! We hear and see you!)

Don’t waste your time. Serial name changer who loves to wind people up. They’ve also used MJ themselves.

You can have a normal reading and still have Hypertension on average. You can even have a LOW reading and still have Hypertension overall.

One normal reading does not = not having dangerous hypertension!

You're just telling us that you don't have the most basic of understanding about how these things work.

I stopped the jabs in March and have lost 5 extra lbs since then, but I have totally changed lifestyle and diet. I work out cardio and/or strength training every day on top of 10k+ steps, I’ve heavily reduced carbs, I’m much more aware of balancing intake over the course of a day or week. But I wouldn’t have had the motivation to keep me going for 5.5 stone worth of calorie deficit without the jabs.

Not feeling hungry allowed me the time and headspace to put new habits in place and get them totally ingrained and now that’s my new norm I suppose. That’s just the way I eat now, but WLIs gave me the time and ability to make those changes.

What about the other part of my post, that you very conveniently left out?

I said that we found out that my mother's doctor received a payment from the pharmaceutical companies - to prescribe certain drugs.

What about my post where I told you that didn't happen. It's not possible for a pharma company to know which drugs your doctor has prescribed.

This is a bit of a small minded comment. Are you obese? Im guessing not, as you felt comfortable making that assumption. Obesity is widely considered to be similar to alcoholism or drug use. It is a disease. Alot of it is about how your brain and hormones react to the food you put in your body and the momentary 'high' it gives you to indulge. Much like drug users or alcoholics, you know its bad for you and you feel a bit guilty, but in it goes nevertheless because its like an addiction. 'Eat less and move more' is great advice, until it isn't. 'Dont drink alcohol' is great advice to give someone with an alcohol problem, does that help them to put the bottle down?

"Serial name changer" ..like that's a bad thing?

Of course I am a serial name chamger. Everyone is on here.

The name change function was brought in to stop people bringing up items from other threads and using old threads to abuse people.

You also are a serial name changer, I am sure.

I haven't used Mounjaro though. I am not particularly interested in it. I was talking about diet products in general on this thread.

I wasnt thinking about mounjaro when i wrote it. I was thinking about the many many diet products on the market. Teas, supplements, drinks, diet gummies etc

Another poster on this thread brought up the topic of weight loss injections

Also it’s too simplistic to say ‘you stop taking them, weight goes on‘ because there are different types of weight gain/obesity. Some people struggle with weight all their lives for myriad reasons (hormonal, lifestyle, upbringing, mental health, genetics) and for those people staying on WLIs might be the best course of action. For me, I’ve been a healthy weight most of my life until two pregnancies, PND, lockdown, losing a parent. I then found it very difficult to find the motivation to tackle the weight gain because it felt like such a long way to go to where I had been.

Now I’m back at a healthy weight again, I don’t feel like I need the support of WLIs as they were to get me back to a destination I’ve been at most of my life.