To be so fed up amd disheartened with all the xenophobia

[Nohqters]

Honestly, I’m just feeling worn out and heartbroken lately. It seems like racism and xenophobia are becoming more and more mainstream again, wrapped up in the same tired scare stories, whether it’s splashed across a tabloid or coming straight out of Farage’s mouth. Then you see stupid threads on here about civil war trying to stir up more hate.

Even my own brother has started sounding like Tommy Robinson. Ten years ago, that would’ve been unthinkable. It’s like people have completely forgotten the lies we were sold during Brexit—by Farage, Tice and their crowd—and yet they’re still lapping up everything they say. No critical thought, just blind anger pointed in the wrong direction.
I’m so fed up with the endless nonsense about small boats, “white minorities,” and all the rest of it. It’s all designed to divide us, stoke hate, and distract from the real culprits—rubbish politicians, broken policies, and the ultra-wealthy hoarding resources while the rest of us struggle.

But instead of looking upwards, it’s always “blame Johnny Foreigner.” It’s exhausting, and frankly terrifying how quickly people fall for it.

Is anyone else feeling this? How are you managing conversations when even close family seem to be buying into this stuff? I’m trying to stay compassionate, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/63-percent-of-those-convicted-of-rape-in-sweden-have-an-immigrant

Ardavan Khoshnood, an associate professor at Lund University in southern Sweden and the lead author of the study, stated the following to the Swedish newspaper:

"If you were born abroad and came to Sweden when you were over 15 years old, the likelihood of being convicted of rape is significantly higher than for an ethnically Swedish person," he said.

Well they clearly have made this one up because it’s simply not true and doesn’t match up with any of the data that is available. In fact, the FOI request I posted from the met police was published in January of this year. Newspapers are well known to misrepresent statistics.

So are you stating that large groups of unvetted, men that have no social structure and no outlet for their quite human desires and not going to become angry and frustrated.

Especially when may come from countries that see women and girls as objects according to their cultural norms and belief systems?

Are you serious?

PS you COMPLETE avoided answering how you would deal with their desires over time.

Perhaps your friends, recognising that it is not their country, should leave then and stop being occupiers.

It's not the left you're opposed to, it's anti-racists, non bigots and people who have basic human compassion. I hear those kinds of people exist across the political spectrum.

Do you have compassion for raped children? Because the 12 year old has still not been mentioned by any of the ‘compassionate’ posters here.

Okay, so it’s the Telegraph article you got your “fact” from. I’ve read that article and it doesn’t say what you seem to think it does. It doesn’t say that Afghans and Eritreans are 20 times more likely to commit sex crimes, it says that they are 20 times more likely to be convicted which is a very different matter.

Well how about you answer my question poised above, once you have done that we can talk more 😁

Where do you suggest they go, given that they were born there?

How do you know it’s not true when you can’t provide a good source showing, without doubt, that Afghan asylum seekers do not commit sex attacks at a higher rate?

I think s/he might have been referring to this...?

Two nationalities – Afghans and Eritreans – were more than 20 times more likely to account for sexual offence convictions than British citizens, according to the data. Overall, foreign nationals were 71 per cent more likely than Britons to be responsible for sex crime convictions.
The data, drawn from the police national computer, shows that there were 16,771 convictions for sexual offences carried out by someone with a known nationality between 2021 and 2023, and migrants accounted for 2,500 of these.
The highest numbers of sex offence convictions were accounted for by Romanians (987), Poles (208), Indians (148) and Pakistanis (144).
However, the rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons. They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.

It's a per-capita analysis (based on convictions per 10,000 of the population) using data from the Ministry of Justice, obtained under freedom of information laws.

Please don't shoot the messenger! You did ask! 😬

https://archive.is/b6krf

For the second time, ethnicity and culture are two seperate things so ethnicity isn’t going to tell you an awful lot. I have mixed race British family members, are they rapists by your logic? And which one is bad, culture or ethnicity?

That’s even worse! We know how few cases reach trial.

Exactly! It is terrifying!

So do I. And no because that’s not my logic, and you know it.

Interesting thanks for this. On the 4 out of 10 "stat" I also think that 4 out of 10 Londoners weren't born in the UK ( I have no problem with this btw I work with them!) so it would follow that the same % would commit the crimes, especially if "so many" are men. Your comments make it even more astounding that this can be the dog whistle quote being thrown about

More terrifying than the views of men in countries like Afghanistan?

I agree with this. Why is it that there are so few young, single women arriving here?

OP you are correct of course but I learned not too long ago this forum isn’t the place for conversations like this. As you can see you have a lot of hit dogs hollering responding, many who believe it’s worse to be accused of racism/xenophobia than it is to actually experience these things.

Ahhh, another telegraph article citing that ever so reliable source - Centre for Migration control - a one man band who is well known for purposefully misrepresenting data. I’m sold!

Australia does not have a good history when it comes to racism, unfortunately. I’ve lived there and was shocked at how casual racism is just accepted. So no, Australia is not “fine”.

An early released offender has nothing to do with my statement.

We can't prevent any men from accessing women unfortunately. The world would be almost perfect if we could. Asylum seekers have as much right to be here as British citizens, until such time as any application is found to be unfounded. You might not like that, but your thoughts do not change the law.

You seem to be committed to misunderstanding me. Bad men exist in all skin colours. Assuming all asylum seekers are out to harm women and demonstrating your displeasure by being vile about a whole group of people based on the actions of a few, is where the racism & xenophobia accusations come in. My point is, not only are there a whopping 0 protests when a white man commits an identical crime. But absolutely NO ONE is stood outside a police station 'protesting' when a white Met officer kills a woman. Or outside the nearest army barracks after ex soldier Kyle Clifford raped and murdered three women in Surrey. Because people seem to be able to fathom that other people aren't responsible for the crimes of someone who merely shares a job role, skin colour or other irrelevant detail with a perpetrator.

The vast majority of criminals of sexual crimes are committed by British males, it makes zero sense to only target the minority if the concern is genuine.

So you’re more angry with people’s reaction to undocumented men who come here illegally than you are with the undocumented men who are assaulting British children on a daily basis? Kinda weird but okay.