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To be so fed up amd disheartened with all the xenophobia

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Nohqters · 04/08/2025 21:56

Honestly, I’m just feeling worn out and heartbroken lately. It seems like racism and xenophobia are becoming more and more mainstream again, wrapped up in the same tired scare stories, whether it’s splashed across a tabloid or coming straight out of Farage’s mouth. Then you see stupid threads on here about civil war trying to stir up more hate.

Even my own brother has started sounding like Tommy Robinson. Ten years ago, that would’ve been unthinkable. It’s like people have completely forgotten the lies we were sold during Brexit—by Farage, Tice and their crowd—and yet they’re still lapping up everything they say. No critical thought, just blind anger pointed in the wrong direction.
I’m so fed up with the endless nonsense about small boats, “white minorities,” and all the rest of it. It’s all designed to divide us, stoke hate, and distract from the real culprits—rubbish politicians, broken policies, and the ultra-wealthy hoarding resources while the rest of us struggle.

But instead of looking upwards, it’s always “blame Johnny Foreigner.” It’s exhausting, and frankly terrifying how quickly people fall for it.

Is anyone else feeling this? How are you managing conversations when even close family seem to be buying into this stuff? I’m trying to stay compassionate, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

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JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 12:00

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They can afford to be because right now they’re protected from the natural consequence of what is happening. Their children and grandchildren won’t be.

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 05/08/2025 12:00

SawPalmettoPrincess · 05/08/2025 11:53

Honest question. What do people think about the country of Australia? Are all of the people there racists because they stopped illegal immigration and took control of their borders? Would you visit Australia now, or would you be too concerned about their attitudes towards immigrants and foreigners?
Or is Australia somehow fine?

I think that Australia, as a country, has a bloody cheek with its attitude towards immigrations given its history. I say “as a country” because none of my Australians friends recognise Australia Day because they see it as disrespectful to the aborigines who were there long before them and whose country it actually is.

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2025 12:01

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 12:00

I knew you’d try to get out of answering.

It’s the appropriate response to your question.

SawPalmettoPrincess · 05/08/2025 12:01

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2025 11:58

Are you going to keep going through every country in the world until you get one right?

Haha, no, but I’m interested in how many countries will simply get the label racist, due to their developing stance on immigration, particularly illegal migration. I also wonder why people want for us, a situation that no other country is going to accept?

EasternStandard · 05/08/2025 12:02

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 05/08/2025 12:00

I think that Australia, as a country, has a bloody cheek with its attitude towards immigrations given its history. I say “as a country” because none of my Australians friends recognise Australia Day because they see it as disrespectful to the aborigines who were there long before them and whose country it actually is.

That’s performative really though, rather than anything.

goldenquestion · 05/08/2025 12:02

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 11:50

What point? She wants it deleted as it has presented arguments she finds uncomfortable and irrefutable. She wants to indulge in luxury offence while a 12 year old is receiving specialist care having been raped and strangled. She hasn’t even mentioned this girl. If white men had kidnapped and raped an asylum seeking child, woah, I can only IMAGINE what her posts would be.

What a stupid and baseless comment. The difference between people like you and the OP (and I) is that we have disgust for all crimes of this nature, regardless of the perpetrators country of origin. My daughter was sexually assaulted by her best friends dad. A local, white British man who played a huge part in the community prior to his crimes being uncovered. It was in the newspaper. His family were aware. His boss read a character statement for him in court. I can't remember any protests outside his home, his place of employment. Or outside the homes of people who just happened to look like him and are therefore guilty by association. I don't remember the protests after ANY case of sexual assault or rape of children, or women, after a white man committed the crime. My local MP currently facing charges of sexual assault....no uproar there, Reform had an MP who had served time in prison for repeatedly kicking a woman in the head...no uproar there either. Funny that isn't it. Certainly not racially motivated hatred though, just genuine concern for women & girls...as long as their abuser is brown.

goldenquestion · 05/08/2025 12:03

SawPalmettoPrincess · 05/08/2025 12:01

Haha, no, but I’m interested in how many countries will simply get the label racist, due to their developing stance on immigration, particularly illegal migration. I also wonder why people want for us, a situation that no other country is going to accept?

I genuinely don't know anyone in support of illegal migration, do you?

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 05/08/2025 12:04

JamesMacGill · 04/08/2025 22:44

I prefer ‘suicidal empathy’.

OP - can you answer whether you think the factual statement that Afghan men are 20 times more likely to commit a sex crime is ‘hate speech’?

Asking again because I’m guessing you missed my question, but do you have a source for this “factual statement”, please?

Givemeachaitealatte · 05/08/2025 12:04

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2025 11:41

Try reporting your own thread, OP, and ask MN to take it down.

The bile on here merely illustrates the problem that you started the thread to highlight. I hope that MN will delete it for you.

I've reported it already OP, but the more people who do the more likely they are to act. I'm so sorry that your thread which was started with the best of intentions has descended into this.

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 12:05

goldenquestion · 05/08/2025 12:02

What a stupid and baseless comment. The difference between people like you and the OP (and I) is that we have disgust for all crimes of this nature, regardless of the perpetrators country of origin. My daughter was sexually assaulted by her best friends dad. A local, white British man who played a huge part in the community prior to his crimes being uncovered. It was in the newspaper. His family were aware. His boss read a character statement for him in court. I can't remember any protests outside his home, his place of employment. Or outside the homes of people who just happened to look like him and are therefore guilty by association. I don't remember the protests after ANY case of sexual assault or rape of children, or women, after a white man committed the crime. My local MP currently facing charges of sexual assault....no uproar there, Reform had an MP who had served time in prison for repeatedly kicking a woman in the head...no uproar there either. Funny that isn't it. Certainly not racially motivated hatred though, just genuine concern for women & girls...as long as their abuser is brown.

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For fucks sake.

There is more uproar when an early released offender offends again.

Not because the impact on the victim is worse or different but because active decisions were made to grant the attacker access to their victim.

We can’t stop white British men existing alongside us. We can’t deport them.

But we CAN prevent these men - who offend at higher rates - from accessing British women.

If you can’t wrap your head around that, you are committed to misunderstanding me

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 05/08/2025 12:05

No, I just don't hold all asylum seekers collectively responsible for the actions of a few. Because it would be racist to do so

Yes, exactly this and that's what some posters seem unable to grasp.

SawPalmettoPrincess · 05/08/2025 12:05

goldenquestion · 05/08/2025 12:03

I genuinely don't know anyone in support of illegal migration, do you?

Well this thread tells me that if you don’t support it, then you must be a racist or a Nazi.

ForWittyTealOP · 05/08/2025 12:06

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 11:18

No, it’s because I’ve read the same thing over and over and over again and I don’t agree with it. Nothing new or insightful has been added to it. It gets to a point you read the first couple of lines and stop because you’ve read the same arguments a thousand times and know exactly what’s coming and it’s absolutely pointless. You say you want respectful debate and that we insult, but then we try and be respectful and we’re deluded. I’m out.

Agree. We're swamped by the racists, xenophobes and bigots unfortunately, they are taking over the UK. They refuse to learn how to communicate, they won't integrate or abide by the tolerant values of the UK. They are terrified of those who don't share their views.

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 12:07

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 05/08/2025 12:04

Asking again because I’m guessing you missed my question, but do you have a source for this “factual statement”, please?

It doesn’t exist. I asked multiple times. They had no response to my first post, conveniently completely ignoring it and replying to others, then when I asked again they merely provided a link to the telegraph who claimed the statistic was from the ministry of justice but provided no link.

This poster conveniently ignores counter evidence but still claims they aren’t racist and are just ‘’concerned’’

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 12:07

ForWittyTealOP · 05/08/2025 12:06

Agree. We're swamped by the racists, xenophobes and bigots unfortunately, they are taking over the UK. They refuse to learn how to communicate, they won't integrate or abide by the tolerant values of the UK. They are terrified of those who don't share their views.

🤣

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 05/08/2025 12:08

ForWittyTealOP · 05/08/2025 12:06

Agree. We're swamped by the racists, xenophobes and bigots unfortunately, they are taking over the UK. They refuse to learn how to communicate, they won't integrate or abide by the tolerant values of the UK. They are terrified of those who don't share their views.

There's still plenty of us out there who aren't and just aren't as vocal and shouty online, so I'm not giving up hope just yet.

goldenquestion · 05/08/2025 12:08

SawPalmettoPrincess · 05/08/2025 12:05

Well this thread tells me that if you don’t support it, then you must be a racist or a Nazi.

No, this thread definitely doesn't tell you that. Asylum and illegal migration are two separate issues.

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 05/08/2025 12:09

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 12:07

It doesn’t exist. I asked multiple times. They had no response to my first post, conveniently completely ignoring it and replying to others, then when I asked again they merely provided a link to the telegraph who claimed the statistic was from the ministry of justice but provided no link.

This poster conveniently ignores counter evidence but still claims they aren’t racist and are just ‘’concerned’’

Thanks for telling me. I haven’t read the whole thread 👍🏾

LakieLady · 05/08/2025 12:09

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 10:26

No, I'm saying that you believe women and children come later, I'm saying they don't.

In my previous job, some of my clients were refugees who we supported with resettlement.

I can think of at least 5 families where the father had come to the UK seeking asylum and the the women and children came later, once asylum had been granted. I can only recall working with 2 single people who were refugees, and one of them was a woman.

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 12:09

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 12:07

It doesn’t exist. I asked multiple times. They had no response to my first post, conveniently completely ignoring it and replying to others, then when I asked again they merely provided a link to the telegraph who claimed the statistic was from the ministry of justice but provided no link.

This poster conveniently ignores counter evidence but still claims they aren’t racist and are just ‘’concerned’’

The Telegraph is right wing but under press standards are not allowed to post outright falsehoods. You’re demented if you think they can. Neither can the Guardian, BBC, Express or any of the others.

More detailed records on asylum and ethnicity status are about to be kept, so let’s revisit in a year.

We will mirror Sweden, where 63% of rapists are immigrants who arrived after age 15.

skymagentatwo · 05/08/2025 12:09

ForWittyTealOP · 05/08/2025 12:06

Agree. We're swamped by the racists, xenophobes and bigots unfortunately, they are taking over the UK. They refuse to learn how to communicate, they won't integrate or abide by the tolerant values of the UK. They are terrified of those who don't share their views.

Yet another left winger full of slurs and label's where are you getting all these labels from Dynamo must be making a fortune 😂

Shakeoffyourchains · 05/08/2025 12:10

skymagentatwo · 05/08/2025 11:15

I'm going to open this up to all the left leaning supporters on here and no one has ever addressed this point.

Over 88% of the illegal boat immigrants are male as you say they will NEVER bring their families over here.
Most will struggle to get their sexual needs met, a majority of the local population of girls and women do not want to date them. So what happens next when you dump large numbers into local communities?

You have groups of sexually frustrated young men (many with different values), what are you going to do?

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You're making a sweeping generalisation that paints male asylum seekers as a threat based on nothing more than gender and origin.

Claiming they're a risk because they might be "sexually frustrated" is not only dehumanising, it’s not backed by evidence. The vast majority of sexual offences in the UK are committed by British men, not refugees, actual data shows the foreign born sex crime rate to be broadly in line with the foreign born population of the UK.

If you're genuinely concerned about integration, the solution is proper processing, support, and pathways to contribute, not stoking fear based on lazy stereotypes.

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 12:10

LakieLady · 05/08/2025 12:09

In my previous job, some of my clients were refugees who we supported with resettlement.

I can think of at least 5 families where the father had come to the UK seeking asylum and the the women and children came later, once asylum had been granted. I can only recall working with 2 single people who were refugees, and one of them was a woman.

Amazed they were willing to leave them somewhere so perilous.

Petitchat · 05/08/2025 12:10

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 11:57

All you do - ALL you do - is say ‘racist’.

I can bring dozens of children being kidnapped and raped; and still, ‘racist’.

A woman being stabbed to death in the asylum hotel she worked in. ‘Racist’.

Hundreds of women being sexually attacked in ONE NIGHT in Cologne. ‘Racist’.

The attempted abduction of a 10 year old girl this week. ‘Racist’.

Pathetic, and you know it.

It's not just pathetic, it's bizarre!
Turning on their own countrymen.
I just can't fathom it.

Imagine if they'd tried this shit during the 2 world wars?

SawPalmettoPrincess · 05/08/2025 12:11

goldenquestion · 05/08/2025 12:08

No, this thread definitely doesn't tell you that. Asylum and illegal migration are two separate issues.

So if we call illegal migration, ‘asylum seeking from France’, then we are not racists.

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