Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

I agree. I think people against mass immigration should be more vocal and speak up, because the polls showing over 50% have indicated their major concern currently is about mass immigration, isn’t reflected in people being the most vocal about it. We have to start pushing ourselves to the front and making ourselves heard more. I know that people are used to being shut down on this topic and labelled racists, but I think one thing we have started to understand is that being concerned about uncontrolled immigration is not racist. Starmer is now realising that how he handles this is going to be a deal breaker come the next election, and if he doesn’t get a grip, then Reform will more than likely gain a considerable amount of seats, and Labour will be out again.

Figures out last week showed more than 25,000 migrants have arrived in the UK via small boats in 2025 so far, a record for this point in the year

This suggests otherwise…..

What is it?

That's truly horrible, I'm so sorry. I'm studying Indian history & knew the Anglo Indians had suffered, but did not know it had been that extreme. I hope your mother and grandfather found England a safe refuge

What is the problem with white people being a minority, exactly? I keep hearing ‘it’s not about skin colour, it’s not about race, it’s culture’’. If that’s the case then why is it such a bad thing if future generations are not white? The reason there is fewer white people is because we are breeding less in this country. I have mixed race relations that were born and bred British and are no different culturally to myself or any white person in this country, so what is the issue with more brown skin?

White British people have bred with different cultures for hundreds of years with no ill - effects, even if most of those different cultures were also white. So what you mean is that it is about skin colour

Ah, the old Britain has no culture chestnut.🙄.Shall we just save time on you asking this over and over again to degenerate Britain, skip straight to the part where you saying something about the British empire and bland food. Then you say what does it matter if white Britains become a minority, you are racist if you don’t want your children to be a minority, you have nothing to be proud of, nation of immigrants blah blah blah,

Change the record, it’s done.

What is the problem with white people being the majority exactly?

Nothing. But that’s not what hoards of people are complaining about, is it?

Stupid faux naivety.

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Only about here. I bet they don’t for anywhere else.

It seems it will mainly be people who care more for the future of British children than the future of children from the third world versus people who care more for the future of third world children than British children. Plus the usual types from both sides with their crazy agendas.

Its not going to be a civil war though, its obviously just going to be a landslide for Reform.

Why is one child’s life more valuable than other, regardless of where they were born?

It’s not from an abstract view, but there are competing interests and British children’s future quality of life will clearly be massively reduced by mass immigration and undocumented immigration. You have to decide on balance where you sit, most people will worry about their own children first as is natural. It’s real life, not a Disney cartoon I’m afraid.

Quite aware of real life thank you, I have 3 children myself, one of whom is severely disabled. No need to be ‘afraid’.

Well, that's the way the far right has always spun issues around immigration, race and foreign aid. Life as a zero sum game: anything that we give to an asylum seeker is directly taken from the mouths of the poor in the UK. You see it on social media all the time.

Obviously the zero sum game doesn't come into play with things like the affordability of the winter fuel allowance. Point out that it results in billions of ££ being handed out to a demographic who on average have a higher disposable income than the average working person, and far and away the largest share of the country's wealth, and the response it 'they deserve it'. No suggestion that putting public money in the pockets of millionaire pensioners is depriving homeless veterans of a roof over their heads.

This is just whataboutary typical of this discussion to divert from the discussion around the facts: Far right, rich people, it’s not nice etc. It’s just lazy

Mass immigration and undocumented immigration IS and WILL decrease quality of life for Britains. The discussion is on where the cost to to British children outweighs the benefits to the people moving here. The answer probably lies in a sensible immigration policy that actually benefits both groups, but that seems beyond us,

Agree and it does seem beyond us atm.

Do you object to people pointing out that your beliefs are far right? Why? Why can't you own your xenophobia?

"Mass immigration and undocumented immigration IS and WILL decrease quality of life for Britains."

Immigrants in the UK make important contributions to our economy, our schools, and our NHS workforce.

In the UK their children are more likely to go to university and become higher rate tax payers than white British children from similar economic backgrounds.

And as our population ages and birth rates fall, the input of immigrants will become ever more important to the continued functioning of our economy.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

The evidence on immigration and crime does not point to higher rates of immigration resulting in higher rates of crime, except insofar as a small increase in property crime in related to asylum seekers - which is exactly what you'd expect when you have a group that consists predominantly of young men, many of them isolated from family and friends, living in destitution on the margins of society. For immigrants who enter the UK with a visa - there is evidence pointing to them being less likely to commit crime than the British born population.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-and-crime-evidence-for-the-uk-and-other-countries/

You suggest my comments are 'lazy'. Your assumptions about immigrants are lazy. They're not evidence based. They're the result of your prejudice and your xenophobia, which has obviously been exacerbated by all the far right anti-immigrant propaganda we're currently seeing on social media.

Unfortunately X does have a lot to answer for ,it's brilliant ( twitter ) in one regard in that information can be shared but of course anyone can post anything.
The rumours I've seen are literally stuff like , Isis has infiltrated asylums seekers hotels and they are planning a campaign to attack primary school children .the response is to gather men together to be ready should this play out. Get comms up and get organised.

Now whether anyone does anything like this....those are a reflection of some people's feelings.

Just to be clear, without referring the far right or racism or any phobias , your opinion is that mass immigration (700k a year) and undocumented immigration of 40k will be a net benefit to British people born today?

“Real life” is that we really are all in it together. What happens to people on one continent affects everyone. The perception that there are competing interests - true in the short term but dangerous in the long term - has led us into the situation the human species is in now.

I get that but what does it actually mean practically in the real world? How does it help with shrinking GDP per capita, housing, religious intolerance, sectarianism, culture clash, over crowding, schooling and tax burden issues that allowing 9 million immigrants over 10 years will cause our children? Are we planning on adding another 9 million over the next 10 years?
The answer to this question from mass immigration supporters seems to be you’re far right for asking it in the first place. End of debate. Slow clap.👏

Ok but what would you like to happen? Should we say we’re all in together so no limits. I’m not sure what this means in reality

I’ve absolutely no idea. I never put myself up as a politician. There certainly should be “no limits” to compassion, consideration and understanding that if we fight like rats in a trap over diminishing resources, the whole however many billion of us are done for.
Those who have assumed leadership roles across the world need to work together towards global solutions to the massive issues we face.
Will this happen? Given the nuclear threats being issued by powerful men, given the widespread continued ignorance about the causes or even the consequences of climate change for us all (hey there are even comments like “bring it on, I love hot summers”) and the connection between climate change, drought, crop failure, and the movement of populations; given the narrow minded and aggressive comments even here on a parenting thread, I’m fairly sure the answer is no.