Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

What is a “mass immigration supporter”? If the housing, social services, education and health services of one country are overwhelmed by unmanageable numbers of people arriving from other countries that’s perfectly obviously bad for all the people involved.
I’m simply suggesting that the proposed solutions to large numbers of people moving around the world in search of safety, water and food, (not because they’ve randomly decided to up sticks from a perfectly nice country to face hardship and hatred on an uncertain journey) are at present piecemeal and based on an attitude of “let’s keep what we have, keep them out, and let someone else deal with the problem”.

As long as the protestors are massing and chanting outside hotels in "Shittytown" or "Chavbourgh" nothing will happen. As long as they are protesting about asylum seekers on Thier doorsteps - nothing.
If they protest or try to protest outside Parliament, or MPs houses, or threaten UK residents and nationals of a different race or ethnicity then expect the dogs to be off the leads.

Posted without comment (since I am sure there are plenty here who will make up for it).

A “disgusting” paedophile who was jailed for his part in the disorder at Rotherham has been handed a new jail sentence for sexually abusing a young girl.
Phillip Wood even gave the 12-year-old a sexually transmitted disease and left her covered in love bites, having filmed his sordid behaviour.
The 23-year-old was only jailed in June for his part in the disorder at the Holiday Inn Express in August last year.

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What is a “mass immigration supporter”?
Somebody who supports mass immigration, yearly net immigration over 50k. We’re running at 700k to 900k a year at the moment.

Ok but I mean no limits on who enters. From your posts I think you mean no?

I can’t see how that works in reality.

What is a “mass immigration supporter”?

Somebody who doesn't say "Reform" when asked a question.

As with all discussions, you tend to get a low energy "you don't agree with me, so you must agree with something that I've just made up." The more inflammatory the better.

Of course I could be wrong ....

@GentleFawn

The problems that we're facing in this country are the result of 14 years of cuts to public services, the failure of NHS funding to keep pace with the growing costs of healthcare with an exploding population of over 60's, and 40 years of truly terrible housing policy. We've increased the size of the population without addressing these issues which are central to our quality of life. However, reducing the size of the working population by massive cuts to immigration and encouraging the repatriation of immigrants who are currently here will damage productivity, reduce our GDP and make our economy even worse than it is now. All modern economies that wish to grow and provide an income and a health service for the rapidly expanding demographic of elderly people, need workers and consumers. We haven't paid for the education or the unproductive early years of adult immigrant workers. They are a net benefit to our economy. But we need to address the issues I mentioned at the start of this paragraph. The far right wants to blame everything that's wrong with this country - shit public services, a struggling health service, on immigrants because it works for them as they're ideologically opposed to well funded public services to start with.

As for the asylum system - of course it's problematic. But it's morally right that we offer asylum to people fleeing violence and oppression in other countries. Of course young people from countries whose economies have been destroyed by decades of conflict and corruption will travel to seek a better life abroad. You would do the same in their shoes and so would I. 'Economic migrant' isn't an insult. It's the inevitable result of conflict and global inequality. That doesn't mean we don't need systems to manage this situation in the UK. I absolutely accept that we can't accommodate vast numbers of economic migrants. That doesn't mean I need to spread hate about this unfortunate group of people on social media. They're human beings and we need a well functioning system of immigration to be able to continue to accommodate those people whose lives would be at risk from government persecution if they returned to their home countries.

BTW - my children and my husband are the result of 'mass migration'. My father in law was part of the Windrush Generation - arrived here along with hundreds of thousands of other West Indians and South Indians in a very short few years in the 1950's. Enoch Powell made his career saying all the same things that you and Reform are saying, and many immigrants were subject to racist violence and discrimination. Yet by the 1960's the economy was booming and as a nation Brits had a better quality of life than in previous centuries. 7 decades on and FIL had 12 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren - productive citizens, including a doctor, a trainee engineer, my own daughter who works in the criminal justice system, her cousin who is in AI. Proud, tax paying, law abiding British citizens.

Ach, you’re totally missing the point of what I’m saying.

Nope, another one who is missing the point of what I’m saying. You could maybe read what @Nasrine has just said - they've expressed what I’m trying to get over, very clearly and concisely.

"landslide for reform"?

Same thing, and highly unlikely, nobody wants to vote for a party that likes civil unrest and has no real agenda and are mostly jaded conservatives, they are no more palatable because they have a different name.

Problem is your relatives are not the Holy Grail that is Being White British. And if any of the people who think it's a problem that not enough people will be 'white British ' think I'm wrong about that - convince me. I have seen nothing that tells me too many here equate British with having white skin.

My biggest issue with Reform and those that support it, is the fact that their response to challenges around immigration that are primarily about the provision of housing and pressure on under funded public services, is to constantly shit talk immigrants. Not complain about immigration policy. To complain about immigrants. Frame them all as scroungers and cheats, rapists, abusers, as primitive.

You can say 'I'm not happy with the UK's immigration policy' and lobby your MP for change. You don't have to go around drumming up hatred towards immigrants as a group and trashing their cultures and their morals, so we end up with mobs of people outside migrant hotels wanting to murder or torture them.

@Over40Overdating Tuckered 2.0. Is that you?

Sure. Not everyone is voting the same way.

Yes I’m getting people want nice platitudes on no limits in feeling if not actuality.

What we do in reality though still needs to be decided and if not here, then voted on.

Perhaps they say Labour. And then feel surprised at losing support.

No, I don't think they'll be a civil war as a majority of people are not into violence.

Nothing. Nothing at all, but you can’t claim it’s not about skin colour if your argument is that white people will be a minority, you are racist if that’s the case.

I mean, you say it’s about culture, but the U.K. is already made up of an amalgamation of cultures, and if we’re so hell bent on being so hostile to people coming from other countries, they’re even less likely to want to integrate into our way of life, making it even more likely that the ‘’British culture’’ the racists use as a smoke screen, is even MORE likely to keep changing over time, but even if that happens, so? People adapt, and you’ll likely be dead by 2079 😂

It’s not immigrants’ fault there are fewer white people, it’s ours for not having kids. Anything else your bigoted arse wants to blame other people for? I can’t see your issue anyway.

Can you expand on your comment “ but the U.K. is already made up of an amalgamation of cultures, and if we’re so hell bent on being so hostile to people coming from other countries, they’re even less likely to want to integrate into our way of life, making it even more likely that the ‘’British culture’’ the racists use as a smoke screen, is even MORE likely to keep changing over time, but even if that happens, so? People adapt”

What do you need me to expand on there? Seems a pretty easily comprehensible and self explanatory paragraph, really. I can’t be arsed getting into a debate with a racist using faux naivety.

If it was easy to get your meaning I wouldn’t have asked. Which cultures do you think make up the culture of the UK and how do they do that.

Of you can’t expand on your answer because you don’t understand your own statement that’s up to you, But don’t try and avoid the question by inaccurately labelling someone racist thinking it’s a magic word to shut down valid debate. It simply doesn’t work anymore and undermines the very serious issue of actual racism. Please point out where exactly my post is racist. Have you ever heard the tale of the boy you cried wolf?

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I hope not. How many rich Indians or Arabs contribute to this country. People don’t like the poor people who come here but does that not make up for the rich who pay so much tax here?
I was raised in London so it’s hard for me to be racist to anyone, I went school and meet all sorts living in London and I will tell you the worse neighbours I have had are all British low class people with addiction issues, white and black, mostly white.
never an immigrant or someone foreign and I’m not the only one who I have witnessed having issues with addicted white British (usually) as nightmare neighbours.

I understand my point perfectly well, thank you, but I’m not wasting my time or energy trying to educate you about how other cultures have influenced the very fabric of our society throughout history, because I don’t have the time, energy or inclination to explain it to someone who is so clueless as to need it explained. Google is free. Maybe look it up a bit while you’re eating your Chinese/ Indian/Kebab takeaway one night 😂

The trenches of Bradford? As a Bradfordian I take exception to your derogatory comments. You're nothing but a bigot with a superiority complex. I'd have thought that Bradford would be right up your street, you know, multicultural, multi-ethnicity and all the things that the lefties yearn for.