Immigration population up another 700k

[Atallglassimdof]

I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

During the recession a few years ago when all our tradesmen were heading off for pastures new (& who could blame them flying off to Auz?) again our "own" fucking off for a better life, who could blame them? these migrants rebuilt our country (Ireland) & not just ours..

It's up there with "My dog ate my homework" And "My mammy tells me so.."

I'd love to know if all these low skilled workers are out there that, apparently, are only good enough for care homes (wtf?!) why is it so extremely difficult to get in home carers for our elderly parents?!

immigrants taking jobs..immigrants claiming benefits…’illegals’ living in luxury accommodation..oh no more brown people!…stop the boats..let children drown if they’re brown…my bingo card is almost full after a few weeks on Mumsnet.
Yes, YABU. And xenophobic. And parochial and small-minded and lacking in empathy.

Do you know what the purpose of the role Is or who “they” are - I’ve read all about this after I saw Farage was foaming at the mouth and as usual it’s islamophobic bullshit 🙄🙄

'Nobody is importing people'?

Well ... you seem to be blissfully unaware that 'importing people' into England was for years and still is a thriving business - so much 'better' for organised crime than smuggling drugs.

Not to forget the 'legal side' of that business that is also doing nicely (like renting crap accommodations to asylum seekers at ridiculous rates - all paid by the State, so nothing for you to worry about).

Don't mind me, please keep your rose tinted glasses on.

I think it’s still hard to get carers into care homes and look after the elderly because eventually even the migrants deem it as low pay, once they have to start paying for rent/food/necessities, it no longer becomes a viable option. The next round of people, migrants and brits, take the jobs and then the cycle endlessly repeats.

There are many British who work in the care industry, I would love to know where you all live to think they’re too lazy to do it.

You and OP are pointing out two sides of the same coin. Care wages are artificially depressed by council funding caps and monopsony power, then subsidised by costly low-wage migration.

’Costly’ becuase each average low-wage migrant arriving at 25 has fiscal net costs of £151k up to retirement, up to around £500k over a lifetime.

I don’t think she is race-bating any more than you are to think this is not a sensible way to run the system.

It persists because it disguises the full costs (never feature in OBR five-year policy costings because they happen later) and is thus convenient for government. Similar to why PFI was attractive.

Knee-jerk criticism of immigration is unhelpful, but so is knee-jerk support, especially when also crying racism.

Policymaking by insult is why we can’t have nice things.

How about you just look it up?

There is no actually acceptable purpose for anything "Shariah" in a government role in the UK, of course, unless it is "Assisting women to escape Shariah punishments".

But, once again, radicalised far left ranting must include ad hominem attacks because you have nothing else 🙄

How is that so? Councils have strived to take on this law and then did so….in England, but have had to be pushed back due to how it very blatantly discriminated against women. Luckily, our singular Uk laws reined supreme, for all women and children who live in the UK. The fact a law other than the countries main law is even being considered is very dangerous.

Do you think any other countries would be happy to instate English laws in the East, side by side with their own laws? Of course not. The fact people like you who don’t take it seriously, puts women in danger, a law like this could keep them in situations without free will.

it isn’t highly skilled (I’ve done it), but it’s hard work and low paid and can be grim. I wouldn’t want to do it again.

Here is the Shariah Law job that the UK government are now advertising in Manchester - for those too lazy to look it up or too afraid it would confirm exactly what everyone fears:

Conduct interviews with individuals and families to assess and review their
requirements.
• Provide information and support.
• Liaise with, and make referrals to the right consultant.
• Provide all admin and secretarial work for Manchester Shariah Council (MSC)
• Maintain accurate records and handle all bookings for all consultants and
Manchester Shariah Council members.
• Plan, manage, organise and oversee all MSC social and Shariah services and
activities on a day to day basis.

In order to do this job - which should not of course exist at all - you must have:

REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE
• A Diploma/Degree in Shariah Law.
• Previous working experience in Shariah Law related fields and/or Shariah
Courts in Muslim countries.
• Familiarity with UK Law and/or Common Law.

So yep, it's just awful as it sounds. Yay for the UK legitimising Shariah courts, but then again it's been doing that for a decade or more, while mumsnet "progressives" shrieked abuse at anybody who dared to worry about this or point out this, or any other reality based fears.

https :// web dot archive dot org/web/20250727120804/findajob.dwp.gov.uk/details/16893605

Don’t be ridiculous! Are you going to fund all these low skilled workers in their dotage? The stats already tell us they will be net takers all their lives.
And to think British taxpayers are paying for third generation Somalis to learn their grandparents native language beggars belief!
It’s spoken English that should be taught to each and every incomer. And nobody gets right of residency unless they have a satisfactory command of English. Then we can save £millions doing away with interpreters in the NHS.
We are being taken for mugs.

😂😂😂

I was responsible for 2 of the stats, in my professional capacity. Both came on skilled worker visas, £60k salaries, one age 24, the other 28. One intends to go back to her home country in a few years, the other hopes to settle here long term. There were plenty more in our company.

The cost to do this is £15k per person - £5k to immigration lawyers to process it, the rest to the government (including the NHS surcharge). That’s a cost that will be passed on to our customers - it’s a big-name company that plenty of people here use - and is a direct cost of Brexit as previously we only hired from the EU but now it’s anyone globally.

It’s frustrating that with so many economically inactive (or under-active) Brits there aren’t enough with the right skills to do the jobs, but that’s the situation we’re in. It’ll only change when we realise that investing in education is a good thing. When it stops being a source of pride to be ‘bad at maths’, and when we accept that investment means paying tax, maybe things will change.

@Masmavi
Yes, YABU. And xenophobic. And parochial and small-minded and lacking in empathy.

The OP’s point is about the fiscal net drain of low-paid migration.

This is £151k per low-wage migrant on the govt’s figures (OBR) up to retirement age, c£500k up to current average life expectancy, more if lifetimes continue to extend.

Is there any number above which it wouldn’t be xenophobic, parochial, small-minded and lacking in empathy to worry about? If so, what’s that number for you, ballpark?

(Chart 4.13 https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Fiscal-risks-and-sustainability-report-September-2024-1.pdf )

Low skilled and very low paid care home workers are needed. Many don’t work at all. Many don’t actually stay, they claim benefit but return home.

I can’t just up and go to live in Canada, NZ or Australia. There should be a points based system in place.

Of course we don’t have the infrastructure to support this level of immigration. Of course it will end badly. Give it a few more decades and we will really see the effects. It’s common sense, we are only a small country. It’s not divisive shit at all.

One issue is that home carers typically need to be able to drive, unless the agency/employer has several clients living near enough each other that a carer could cycle/walk. If the agency provides work vehicles, then the company's insurance conditions will prob need employees to have UK licences, and immigrants who are using a non-GB licence don't meet those requirements.

You're allowed to drive a personal vehicle in the UK on a non-GB licence for 12 months after you become a UK resident. Unfortunately there's a national shortage of driving tests due to Covid, and the backlog is is impacting people who've moved to the UK to work in care. I know multiple people who are panicking they won't manage to get a test before their 12 months are up.

Care homes can recruit non-drivers, and naturally people using non-GB licences in personal vehicles to get to work are very welcome.

This is largely legal not illegal migration, just to note. Another fantastic Brexit benefit. We used to have lots of Europeans coming over and many going back again, and of course we could go and take our pick of several countries also. Now we have people coming from much further afield, from much lower wage economies, bringing whole families with them and staying permanently. And it's much harder for the British to leave and live and work or study elsewhere. Brilliant. The best thing we could do at the moment is rejoin the EU and massively restrict migration from elsewhere.

Take a look at the list, it is extensive almost anything with a salary,; gym manager, travel agent, garage manager or proprietor (not mechanic by the way).

the variety probably means there is something for everyone - if we bothered to equip them with the skills and a career pathway.

ETA, betting shop manager? We're crying out for them apparently

My mother came here as a low-skilled worker, mainly because in her country of origin she did not have the opportunity to develop skills. As soon as she had permission to work, she did. Six years after arriving, she had a degree. Five years after that she was a qualified doctor. Another five years and she was a consultant oncologist. The children she gave birth to include a teacher, an engineer and a scientist (the last one is me). The problem with fascism is that it sees people as faceless units, divided into the useful and the useless. It never considers potential.

The point is also that this was the year up to June 24. The responsibility of the last government. Governments have been caught between a rock and. hard place since Brexit and yes i so believe there has been active recruitment abroad. lot of the jobs we are talking about. There has been and there continues to be an issue with who is paying for our pensions as our natural birth rate declines. But we can’t simply keep doing this. It will be interesting to see the most up to dTe
figures as they emerge.

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Pretty much every immigrant. They do the hard slog so their children will have better opportunities than them. It's honourable actually. Imagine leaving all your friends and family, coming to a country where so many people are unwelcoming and doing a shit job, all so your kids have a better life.

That should help fill the low birth rate that seems to be banged on about