Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

Give them personality changes, maybe?

I bang on about this on thread after thread, but the kind of people who have the practical skills and emotional intelligence to provide good care can train for better-paid jobs with more prestige in related sectors, e.g. speech and language therapy, occupational therapy, nursing.

The sector can't compete with more appealing jobs. At present my experience is we are getting a lot of people trying out care work, both British born and immigrants, who are not suited to the sector but can't get a job anywhere else. Nevertheless they get the care roles because no-one else is applying.

Well if British people don't want to do the job, what's your solution if it's not immigration?

I've just watched a video on social media some bloke has posted a video saying what's going on here. It was a Muslim woman dressed in a Burqa playing with 4 children on a seesaw that was it. Some of the comments were disgusting now if an Asian had recorded white British children in a park all hell would break loose. I commented some weirdo recording children playing in a park. I haven't got a problem with immigrants. I do have a problem with rascists who judge why people come here. Just because their a different race doesn't mean they weren't born here. it seems if you're white you can do wtf you want.

I agree with this. Care work is really important and you want the right people in the role. They need to genuinely be caring and considerate people.

Care home work is not unskilled! Most people coming to the country are skilled partly because it costs a lot to get here. But they are not allowed to work for years.

They may do very well, a lot of people start off in low skilled jobs but work hard and improve themselves. That sounds somewhat like the 'American dream', it's also like that in India but here isn't that much different. The other thing is if they have children they will encourage their children to be be successful. Don't we all know people whose parents and maybe grandparents slaved away at low paid jobs in order to make a better life for their children?

Oh no, not care home workers, we definitely don't want any of them, working hard, being caring, keeping people comfortable and all that unnecessary shit British workers don't seem to want to do!!

If the quality of discussion on immigration that the centre left can bring is representative of this board then we are screwed. And yes, you might as well hand the keys straight to Nigel Farage.

OP quoted a number (700,000) for net migration, said that not all are low skill but 100,000s are and that she is concerned about the fiscal impact of their aging.

It’s a legitimate worry. Posters suggesting she must be a Nigel Farage, Daily Mail addled troll, demanding she cite her sources (even after she did), and being confidently wrong about the data (it’s mostly net births, etc. Actually, 29,982 of it is. The rest is net migration), and telling her she shouldn’t be commenting if she’s so ignorant of the data (look in the mirror). Claiming OP said all migration is low-skill, and arguing over whether care work should be classed as low-skill or not when the relevant point is the fiscal impact. And saying — well we need care workers so what are you going to do? As if that’s case closed for the status quo, rather than the issue OP is raising.

I’m generally pro-immigration but OP’s not wrong to worry about the fiscal effects. OBR forecasts only go out 5 yrs so net drain after that never affects the official projections that govts get scored on and the headlines get written on. And net drain (of those who are a fiscal net drain, which of course not all are) happens mainly at end of life, so never shows up. It’s a loophole that makes low-skill migration look very attractive to the present govt, of whatever stripe, because the costs don’t show up on their watch.

And there are heavy costs. The 2021-24 immigration wave will start to get ILR rights from next year. Centre for Policy Studies estimates total lifetime net fiscal impact of £230bn ish depending on assumptions. Just from that three year window.

As someone who thinks immigration can be a huge economic and fiscal positive, at a time when we already have a natural fiscal time bomb from demographics, it makes me despair.

Immigration policy done right can get us out of our demographic fiscal hole. Instead govt after govt has applied a policy that gets us further into the hole. All the while, squandering political capital.

It’s like a surgeon picking up a scalpel to operate, but instead of using it skilfully to help the patient, clumsily sticking in a few more jabs. The patient asks for a different surgeon, who does the same thing. At some point the patient will walk out. That’s when you will get Farage.

There is a huge shortage of care workers. Please just stop this race- baiting, anti-immigration BS. It's old.

Who is Nigel?

No idea what you are on about. I read the data and now you're on about your mate from the chippy I think?

What I find frightening is how out of touch with reality a lot of people are on this thread. It’s really unhelpful to respond to OP as above, or suggest that it’s Farage. The moment anyone brings up a topic that goes again a “liberal” or “left-leaning” view, that all migration is beneficial to the UK, the discussion is shut down by making disparaging remarks. The West has been increasingly allowing in unskilled illegal migrants who are not lawyers and doctors, who statistics show, are contributing to crime and state resource depletion. To bat that away by “Reform HQ” is disingenuous at best.

Approx 30k more births . That’s small compared to the overall increase in population.

Or when the proper blasphemy law comes in. Then we’ll all be living in a quasi-Shariah state.

I worked in a care home for 7 years, not as a carer, but we couldn't get any British people to do the job, so who is going to look after theses people if not imagrents? They work, pay taxs.yes they might earn minimum wage, and get benifiit top up if they have children, but so do may uk citizens.
After brexit lots of the European care workers went home, to a better life,so our care home started employing people from Indian to cover the shortfall.

A worker earning half the UK average wage and arriving at 25 costs the taxpayer a net £151,000 by the time they retire, per the OBR. Then add post-retirement costs and, some estimates get to about £500k per person. The older they are when the arrive, the greater the cost. If they have dependents that number rises too.

These mathematical chickens will come home to roost.

It’s not just care work. Many sectors have become reliant on low-paid immigrant labour.

https://www.ft.com/content/ca441a61-6feb-4d94-970a-b83b75b8dcd0

Care and healthcare work is badly paid in part because of the quasi-monopsony market, where the govt ends up footing much of the wage bill (via councils or the NHS). It suits them to hold costs in the present down. This simply disguises the costs, and passes them on to later generations.

We need to totally restructure. Those jobs need to be paid the full true market rate, so they are no longer a drain on public finances, and because the monopsony is a market distortion that keeps pay unreasonably low. It adds a lot of cost in the present and is therefore politically virtually impossible for as long as so much of the cost is state-funded.

If we can do that, then I’m relaxed about whether the jobs are chosen by British people or immigrants. The problem is not the nationalities, it’s the economics.

Yeah. Right.

That feeling when someone is so close to understanding the problem, but still not quite there

We’ll wait and see. I would be very happy to be wrong but the tone of that contemptuous response is exactly what’s wrong with this country.

When people can't mount an argument, and you haven't, they always go for tone.

This is the problem when people believe the MSM. One of my family members is incredibly ignorant because of this and of course, she’s always “right”. When in fact she’s so wrong it’s scary.

Hang on, here come the ad hominem attacks in an attempt to demean and silence you because they have no actual contribution to make in 3, 2... oh no wait, they already arrived 😅

They are advertising for a Shariah consultant in the UK. Right now.
BREAKING: The British government is now openly advertising a job for a “SHARIA LAW ADMINISTRATOR” in Manchester — on its official gov .uk website. Salary 23,500 per year.

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People on the thread being sarcastic or touting ‘Nigel’ can do no more. Their inabilities really show through as they know they can’t argue the main point, because the point is correct. They clearly like to keep their heads in the sand, which is fine, but you are a coward to shout down those brave enough to ask the serious questions.

Working in care homes is low-skilled despite your OP stating how much care for the elderly costs.
Big ball of hypocrisy.

Do you know why migrants work these jobs? Because the British are too damn lazy.