Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

Without immigrants social care, the NHS and many other sectors would collapse.

Illegal immigration is the issue not people who come legally in the country to support our infrastructure.

I wonder how they manage to get the visas to come here in the first place?

So many lies being peddled.

The UK is projected to be one of the few countries to increase our population in the next decade. This is due to immigration, and higher birth rates of imigrees.

We need a balanced discussion on population numbers and demographics. There needs to be an absolute limit otherwise it is unsustainable.

We are an overcrowded, high density nation. We cannot feed ourselves, house ourselves. We are the most nature depleted country in Europe.

12% of our prison population are foreign nationals. We have issues with drugs, money laundering, county lines, grooming. Many of these crimes run by non UK nationals.

We can acknowledge and celebrate those who come here, embrace the culture, work, contribute, support, but also acknowledge there are also negative issues with some immigrees that need addressing.

I am not sure that PP is interested in fact based discussion.

There are plenty of places around the country where you can get these things.

Yes agree...

I must confess I am not familiar with how care homes are funded. I thought some resident places are funded by the local authority.
Is it the same for home carers?

Anyway, they should get paid more, so maybe they should unionize and go on a strike.

Er...I'm not sure you two always qualify on that front TBF...no need to patronise people.

Glitchy knows because she works as a fraud office for her local LA. So we are to believe all that she says.

Glitchy cannot provide stats as her LA and DWP don't collect them.

This is not the sixth form common room. It’s the real world with adults.

In the real world, the market pays whatever supply and demand dictates. Wages are low because taxpayers subsidize low wages through benefits and unlimited unskilled migration provides low wage labour.

Benefits and migration are not a symptom of low wages, they are a cause.

Cut benefits and u skilled migration and watch wages rise.

Free knowledge for you there comrade. After all the far left likes free stuff.

Yes its the second largest area of council spending.
So to increase wages we will almost certainly need to increase council tax.
I am not against this - we need them and improvements in social care will positively impact the NHS and free up family carers to work.

Council tax increases every year any way?

yes because of the cuts to central funding the Conservatives loosened the reins on how council tax can be increased to make up for it.

Demand for care workers is high - one of the biggest skills shortages in the country - and you're telling me supply is limitless.

Yet we still have shortages. Your maths doesn't maths.

And I'm not far left. I'm taking the piss.

It should be a highly skilled job and there are some amazing care workers out there.
However I see examples of really bad home care practice every day. Just this month I have seen carers bodily lifting patients instead of using the equipment provided or using it incorrectly because they have been poorly trained, missing pressure lesions, forgetting to leave water within reach on the hottest day of the year. Sadly I do not think home care has been improved by international recruitment at all.

"Takeaway managers and proprietors" should NOT be on any list of skilled workers, that's for certain.

The massive increase in takeaway businesses, with deliveries carried out by Deliveroo, et al, often by illegal workers on illegal bikes, is in no way a necessity.

If people are so desperate to buy this 'food' and have it delivered, they can pay the increased prices necessary to staff them without resorting to visas for migrant workers.

Care home work is highly skilled. And absolutely necessary. We'd be effed if we didn't have people willing to come here to do those jobs.

Ive never heard it called that and have been on here since 2008

Well that’s good because we’re in severe need of care home workers. And IME the immigrant colleagues were the most kind and caring. Local English people often less so.

Nearly 10 million people of working age on benefits says that there is a limitless supply. About half of those don’t work at all.

I noticed you don’t believe in data or numbers, just soundbites.

No we wouldn’t. We have plenty of people in this country that could do with getting their finger out and doing a days work.

Is that you @greengully. The same nasty ignorant views spouting all over mumsnet

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Totally agree. My parents are immigrants also. This not an issue of racism. It’s an issue of sustainability and economics. No place on Earth can sustain a forever- increasing population. Isn’t that what lefties are always on about? People who are Pro immigration need to address the negatives instead of saying anyone anti immigration is a racist.

A breakdown of that 10 million.