Immigration population up another 700k

[Atallglassimdof]

I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

It’s absolutely staggering that people are too economically illiterate to recognise that obvious relationships between 10 million locals being on benefits, uncontrolled low skilled mass immigration, employers paying low wages rather than investing in automation or paying market rates, the resulting low productivity and the economic consequences that we are seeing.

Tighten up benefits and switch off the low skilled immigration tap and watch productivity and economic growth increase.

Yes you’d have to pay more for your £1 chicken and chips from the local takeaway and pay more your taxi rides, and care wages would increase, but those who are net contributors would also pay less less towards supporting the net taking 52% of population which includes immigrants who are on average net takers from the system. None of this is inflammatory and controversial.

Because we are a rich country, same as Canada etc, India has a huge nurse shortage, still we poach them.... meaning people die there.

We should scrap tuition fees, pay CW and other HCPs more and get young people into Healthcare.

All paid for by cutting train driver salaries......... 😂

An increase to careworkers would largely be paid for via council tax. Thats not to say it shouldn't happen.

The Conservatives slashed central funding to councils in 2010 onwards and at the same time increased their statutory responsibilities.

You’re making a lot of assumption there, cowboy! I work for a global company, many of our staff move around from office to office and a VP on package of around £3m has just relocated to England. They’ll be in that migrant number of 700k. But will bugger off in 4/5 years back home.
DP is a high earner - also from overseas. Been here 20 years, not so much as touch a benefit.
I’m not from here, high earner, been here 30 years - at one point t I was probably in a migrant number. I did start in low paid entry level jobs, again never had the need to take any benefits.
About a third of the families we know at school ( bog std state school) have one parent not from England/wales. Some came as students, some with jobs, some cos of family connections … all work, contribute, raise their kids here. Some may eventually leave or retire to home countries.
For some reason the Reform voters see migrant numbers and in their tiny little minds immediately picture hoards of penniless, not white, refugees who apparently are going to all be given council houses and tons of cash for nowt.

I just don't think Labour should have given in to the wealthy traindrivers as soon as they got in power without a fight and without any changes to working practices that would havd saved taxpayer money. Traindrivers are paid a fortune. That payrise should have gone to careworkers to try and balance the system and start lessening the amount of people we "allegedly" need to import.

"You need to think things through a bit more". Love it.

Your stance is incoherent. We can import railway workers. That unions choose to fight for the rights of their members does not change that. The care industry could strike too but chooses not to.

Ending the railway strikes cost us less in the short term than the continued strikes. (And a less than inflationary payrise is not a “great wage”.)

Why are you so anti railway workers getting a fair deal yet so pro a fair deal for care workers which would cost exponentially more?

Brilliant- lets get rid of all the care home workers , NHS workers and students and see how that helps

Cowboy?? I'm clearly missing something...

If we imported thousands of train drivers (as you suggest) I'm pretty sure they would no longer be on £70k plus 🤣

I'm against it because they are paid a fortune and refuse to modernise their working practice in return. Typical unionised industry.

As someone who has applied to a lot of positions in hopes of getting a skilled workers visa. I have gotten a lot of rejections saying that they won't hire me because they don't want to sponsor me. Eventhough they are on the sponsorship lists. Im gonna do a bold claim without having any facts to back me up. The majority of jobs go to people in the UK, and there are fuckton of foreigners not getting any work.

I’m guessing you don’t have any loved ones in care homes??? It’s incredibly difficult to hire British born staff (of any ethnicity) into the care sector and when you do they leave quickly if they are any good! Across the road from me has 4 vacancies and no applicants despite advertising in the normal way and handing out flyers at the school gate to parents, in local supermarket etc - it’s not an attractive job option compared to benefits which will keep you in a similar lifestyle to minimum wage work.

The OBR model defines a "low-wage migrant worker" as being someone on half the "UK average" wage, but unhelpfully doesn't give the figure used. I agree it must be scraping the minimum wage, though not necessarily below it especially because of part-time people (mean adult wage is about £38k including full and part-time).

obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Fiscal-risks-and-sustainability-report-September-2024-1.pdf

You do, what your posting is nonsense, it doesn't stand scrutiny.

That £135m divided by 906k care workers would add 8p an hour to their wages.... get in!!!

Pls we'd continue losing billions in more strikes, the conditions were a 3 year pay deal.

Yes they would because they are unionised. That’s the point of unions.

Although the averages train driver salary is NOT £70k

https://www.reed.com/articles/train-driver-salary-benefits

So your answer is bring in unskilled low wage workers. Rather than cut back benefits, pay market wages to workers here and fill those vacancies.

And is there something that makes British people inherently bad at care work? Obviously mot. It’s just an excuse to keep to the benefits gravy train rolling and keep the open borders open.

Statistics to back this up please? How many have returned home but still claim benefits in the UK?

That'll start changing soon. Unemployment is rising due Labour's increase in Employers NI and the fiddling with worker rights. People will start being less fussy. Unfortunately now they will also need to compete with people coming in.

Even more no thought nonsense, if care workers were unionised, they'd have far better wages and conditions.... they aren't, so get exploited.

Yes but if you have a load of available workers happy to work for low pay then the unions start losing their power. Supply and demand.

Sorry. I edited that.

Quoting the OBR is futile. It’s a quango that hasn’t got one thing right since its inception. A broken clock has more chance of being right than the OBR.

A low wage workers is anyone who does not pay enough tax to sustain all that public services they use. It’s really that simple.

I know that figure is quoted from a few months,ago , but I feel @Atallglassimdof is being dismissed for posting their concerns . I agree with them , in as much as if we continue to have the high migration aspect of it , this country will really know it in a few years .
I'm perfectly happy with legal migration . They have applied to live in this country and be given the right to enter . That's great no problem with that .

However what really should be stopped is the illegal entry ( yes I'm talking about the boats ) 900 yesterday .
How can anyone on here think that is a good thing ?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/populationestimatesforenglandandwales/mid2024

I don't think any normal person thinks it's a good thing. The problem is we can't do anything about it until there is a government brave enough to do what's necessary. Not putting them up in hotels until there are no rooms left in the country.

I’m sorry to pick a hole in one part of your post but given you’re accusing other people of being economically illiterate - takeaways are incredibly expensive, as are taxi rides. The rise in the cost of chippy takeaways in particular has actually been well-publicised and documented, due to the rises in the cost of energy, oil and fish. But you haven’t been able to get chicken and chips for a quid for decades.

So let's direct our ire at capitalism and unscrupulous for-profit care settings that pay the bare minimum and charge through the nose. Let's make work pay and strengthen our labour laws. Let's raise taxes and invest in social care.

Welcome, comrade.