Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

Well you may have a point. If it's so easy for someone from the Sudan (for example) to learn how to operate the Uks rolling stock I can't see why Labour need to pay traindrivers so much in the first place.

So why are people saying that we are not having enough kids then?:

Uncontrolled mass immigration has been a disaster for this country since 1997.

Bliar and nu Labour absolutely f’d this country and the Tories took it up a notch.

Immigrants currently are net takers on average, they don’t earn enough to even sustain themselves or their larger than average families and their elderly relatives that they bring over. While there are nearly 10 million people already here who are on benefits. Over half the UK population are now net takers with a disastrously dwindling number of people paying for the majority to live. This suppresses productivity as business have a limitless supply of low skilled immigration rather than paying market wages to locals or investing in automation. And we are just adding to the burden by bringing in people who don’t and never will pay enough to even support themselves. And it will get worse as they get older and we continue with yet more low skilled immigration. And the cycle continues.

The result is that this country borrows £20b a month just to service its debt. That’s right, we now borrow almost 10% of our GDP to just pay interest on debt. Debt which is there and growing all the time because the country doesn’t produce enough but pays for so many unproductive people. Thats not inflammatory, it’s just facts.

People who cry racist at these facts are simply economy illiterate, generally too dim to spell much other the word racist. So that’s their default setting. If robo-progressives had better education and understanding they would know that this phenomenon is called a ‘Ponzi scheme’.

And it only ends in one place. Because the inept and corrupt politicians won’t do anything and the handout taking voters are too dim to see past the freebies they’ve been getting, eventually the IMF will need to step in tell people in this country that party is over. And that is a disastrous not worth contemplating. But the UK is absolutely headed that way, when you look at the bond markets and borrowing costs being higher now than they were under Liz Truss.

Do you have a source for your claim these immigrants “stay on benefits for life”?

Or that they get houses quicker?

And they all tell you they “come here for free houses and benefits”?

Convenient.

Did you swallow a left wing ‘be kind’ progressive dictionary for breakfast this morning?

How original 🙄

That’s not new. The site is nicknamed “Prosecco Stormfront” for a reason.

Plenty of us immigrants are leaving now. Visa fees crippling, tired of contributing so generously to a system that we have no recourse to, tired of having my degrees and skills undervalued by people who don't understand them, tired of living alongside workshy locals who think I'm here to suck off the public tit and sometimes give me an earful about immigrants when I am walking my dog after a 12hr work day. Taking my British husband and kids back to my home country so your net migration figures will go down by several when we leave- what a win for you. Honestly, buh bye, good luck.

How is that different from our home trained doctors and nurses going to Australia or Canada

700k is not "low skilled immigration". It includes everyone under the sun who enters UK on non-visitor visas - students, highly skilled talent, spouses, etc.
Student visas alone make up 400k+ a year out of totals.
Healthcare visas would be about 100k.
The balance of under 200k would still not be "low skilled" only as it includes another 100k at least of skilled workers in various categories.

Well precisely. And a point I made a few posts earlier. Richer countries poaching doctors from poorer countries.

Where did you read that?

Brexit hit GDP by several points making us poorer.
The Conservatives increased immigration in an effort to offset our losses and boost GDP.

So the problem is capitalism, right ?

If our employers won’t pay proper liveable wages (because they’re obsessed with turning labour into shareholder value) then they employ people from overseas who will work for a pittance. And by supplementing wages with benefits, we’re wasting money subsidising this mess.

Infinite growth on a finite planet isn’t possible, somebody or something has to be exploited to keep the fable alive.

Whatever you do, don’t vote for more turbo-capitalism. Not Reform, not Conservative, not even current Labour.

Inevitably someone must be exploited to sustain this illusion of growth, and one day it will be you.

Why do you think it’s harder to train people from Sudan to work on railways than people from Chester?

I was told it and then Googled it to see if it was true.

It's too much. We can't cope,

I don’t know about illegal immigration, but I can give you an insight into those who come here legally.

1. They pay a health surcharge when they first apply to move to the uk and for every visa renewal until they get their settlement visa after 5 or 10 years (So no they are not using the NHS for free) Those who work for the NHS are exempt.
2. They have no recourse to public funds which means they cannot claim any benefits (housing, UC, child benefit etc) until they get their settlement visas which is normally after 5 or 10 years depending on visa type.
3. A lot of them use these caring jobs as a stepping stone and usually end up going to university as soon as they are able to.
4. In our family we have 3 doctors, one is now a consultant. My other family members came to work as nurses. Some who came to work as caregivers are now nurses, social workers or in the army. We always encourage each other to go to Uni so we can get better paying jobs.
5. Some of the older people (my mum included) I know are planning to retire in their country of birth.
6. I do not mean this as an insult, but we look after our own elderly family members. We give them both financial and physical help. So chances are those who choose to stay won’t be a burden on the government.

Why do they need to “benefit their own country”?

They are people not objects. We don’t “take” them. They choose where to go.

There are nearly 700,000 homes in England that are unfurnished and standing empty. Over 265,000 of these are classed as ‘long-term empty’. When we add in holiday short-lets and second homes, total vacancy sits at over 1 million homes, meaning that across England, 1 in every 25 homes is empty.

Action on Empty Homes https://share.google/PZPFfs5cP04ADg4Mb

That cost the govt £135m and ended a series of strikes that cost the economy over £3 billion in lost productivity.

Plus as the pay deal was over 3 years, it barely covered inflation.....

To give care workers a £2 an hour payrise, plus then do the same in the NHS too or we'd lose HCA's to the care sector, then of course all other bands would want more to keep the differentials...... would cost 10s of billions.

Then IF we did this, you'd be the first to moan "Labour give billions in pay rises to their union pay masters......"

You need to think things through a bit more.

The thing is, if we'd still been in the EU, this would have been balanced with immigration OUT of the UK. But Brexit now prevents a lot of that.

Well, it isn't. Or is it? Who knows! You asked "why can't we import train drivers". I don't know the answer.

If we can't import them, that's why Labour are happy to pay them a great wage (unlike care workers)

If we can import them (as you suggested) then wages would be lower (like careworkers).

So that suggests we can't import them. So their wages are higher than careworkers which we can import.

Which was my original point.

It isn’t a government role though, nor is it publicly funded:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-sharia-law-job-fact-32159145

Care Work is actually highly skilled but low paid.

If it wasn't for immigration many care homes wouldn't function..