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Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:00

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt join calls for Hamas to disarm and exit Gaza to end war with Israel

Arab nations — including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt — joined calls Tuesday for Hamas to disarm and give up its grip on Gaza to end the 21-month war.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

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fraughtcouture · 31/07/2025 15:27

ThatDaringEagle · 30/07/2025 23:08

Israel are now a rogue, right wing, fundamentalist state that are run by a dangerous prime minister wanted by the ICJ for war crimes , genocide & crimes against humanity, amongst other things...

They are building illegal settlements in occupied territories for decades now. These clearly contravene prior agreements & peace accords. In the past year Israel has descended into cynical ethnic cleansing, stopping humanitarian aid and causing a famine and untold hardship on the civilian Palestinian people of gaza, the West Bank & Palestine. Their soldiers now randomly shoot starving people simply trying to access food & humanitarian aid that other countries & more civilised societies have sent for the people of Palestine who are under daily siege by the IDF.

Israel through their IDF, are committing genocide, unspeakable war crimes, and crimes against humanity, such as withholding humanitarian aid to a starving civilian population who are now trying to survive in an Israeli maintained famine. This is terrorism on a national scale. Simply scary stuff. These are just some of the facts. The UN have verified all of these & more.

Meanwhile the rest of the world look on posturing & prevaricating over what politician says what. I mean why exactly are the free world, who espouse holding up human rights & UN charterers etc still trading with this right wing rogue state, whose IDF thugs are actively committing genocide & crimes against humanity, led by the absolute tyrant who is Netanyahu !?

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Well said!

Dangermoo · 31/07/2025 16:19

ApartFromAllThat · 31/07/2025 14:41

And if you want to ignore the numbers, you crack on too. 60000 though. And with a massive number of people on verge of starvation, the rest of us can't. You've one thing right, it is vulgar.

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So what are you doing to help? Charity, volunteering? You believe everything you're seeing, so if you're that moved - understandable - why don't you do something pragmatic. What you don't need to be doing, is not only comparing who's had the biggest fatalities, but speak of Hamas, as though they are just rogue gangsters. There were some despicable barbaric acts carried out, that don't deserve to be downgraded in order to prove a point.

Francine84 · 03/08/2025 09:13

Dangermoo · 31/07/2025 14:29

Here we go again .."Hamas are awful" More understating of a vile terrorist regime. The only scum are those, who systematically hunted down jewish mothers, children, babies and the elderly and not only slayed them but tortured them. Tieing a mother and her child together and burning them alive isn't just "awful". Palestinians don't have to like Israelis, they just need to work together to help stop a terrorist regime - of course, that would require wanting it to stop.

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By your own logic you must also think the Israeli government is a terorrist regime then? They have systematically hunted down innocent women, children, academics, doctors, journalists, aid workers, paramedics etc etc. Tens of thousands of innocent people slaughtered.

Like I said, what Hamas did on October 7th was horrific. But an occupied nation has a right to defend itself. And if Israel hadn’t been occupying, imprisoning, and oppressing Palestinians for the last 20 years then October 7th wouldn’t have happened.

The tide has turned against the Israeli government now. Especially since they’ve admitted that their plan is to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians. Why are you still parroting Israel’s propaganda for them?

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 09:27

Francine84 · 03/08/2025 09:13

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But but but. I'm not bothering with the the rest.

AzurePanda · 03/08/2025 11:48

@Francine84 how the hell is mass rape framed as an occupied country “defending itself” let along the murder and abduction of elderly people, babies, children and young people at a music festival?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 03/08/2025 13:21

AzurePanda · 03/08/2025 11:48

@Francine84 how the hell is mass rape framed as an occupied country “defending itself” let along the murder and abduction of elderly people, babies, children and young people at a music festival?

Neither side have covered themselves in glory. How is shooting children looking for food defending yourself? We won't mention the torture and rape of Palestinians held in prison, including children as it comes across as a race to the bottom.

AzurePanda · 03/08/2025 13:42

@MiloMinderbinder925 the difference is that I’m not minimising, excusing or defending what happened on October 7th.

Igotjelly · 03/08/2025 14:13

AzurePanda · 03/08/2025 13:42

@MiloMinderbinder925 the difference is that I’m not minimising, excusing or defending what happened on October 7th.

I do think it’s entirely possible to recognise that Oct 7th was a terrorist attack of the worst kind, over and above anything that could possibly be considered legitimate resistance and also think the same of current Israeli actions in Gaza. Neither is in any way acceptable and both are abhorrent.

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