Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

I can't comment as to the reasons, but it's apparent to be that very large numbers of western politicians either do not understand or are more interested in votes than integrity, but the simple truth is this:

The resolution to middle eastern peace involves crushing islamism and achieving modernisation.

That must happen to end terrorism, abuse of women, war, violence, oppressive theocracy etc etc

Westerners are very good at understanding the role oil and war has played in creating the humanitarian crisis that's been ongoing for decades, but they struggle to see the role Islamic extremism has played.

Moderate or monarchy states understand those violent ideologies must be crushed, not encouraged or rewarded. And while none of these places are liberal or democratic, they are at least moving forwards.

Hamas and such groups want to move backwards, and the amount of suffering empowering such groups can cause is astronomical.

You can recognise states without recognising governments. Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation, therefore it's illegal to support them.

Hamas are just one of the many many horrific extremist Muslim organizations, and like many others funded by Iran. They want to destroy the west.

Israel on the other hand just wants the continue down the path of ethnic cleansing of the west bank, and likely Gaza too. They don't want to destroy the West, they just want our support to do that.

Civil war?

Exactly, if they cared about the citizens of Gaza they would give back all the hostages, in fact they wouldn't have even launched their attack in the first place. What exactly did Hammas think was going to happen after they attacked, raped, murdered and kidnapped citizens of a country with such a strong military force, they knew exactly what Israel would do and they went ahead anyway. I have huge sympathy for the people of Gaza, what they are going through is horrific, but Hammas started this and they could end it, but they chose not to.

But what/ who is the state of Palestine right now?

It all boils down to 9/11 and the Western civilization having it's arse handed to it, it's scared governments so they give into this crap out of fear of being the next target

Why? Because they like the affluent lives they have. They want to keep the tourists coming to their region. They want to sit in coffee shops and have their beards trimmed daily and work limited hours. They like their Christmases skiing and their summer hols in London , Spain or Switzerland. Why would they want to get involved directly with Hamas? I'm not saying they don't feed Hamas but it's not public.

I believe they're referring to pre 1967 borders and the 2m+ Palestinians who belong to that land.

Thanks

Yep.

I think it’s SM and the pressure it puts on politicians. The cabinet were pushing on this and other MPs. It’s not as informed ir well considered as Arab nations.

Your last line is worrying, and you could be right.

As usual Starmer’s timing and political acumen are dire.

I suspect through fear of alienating voters over here who secretly, or not so secretly support Hamas.

Am I missing something? I thought Starmer had put conditions on both sides.

From the Guardian: Hamas, the Palestinian militant group, must immediately release all remaining Israeli hostages, sign up to a ceasefire, disarm and “accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza”, Starmer also said.

So we would only recognise Palestine as a state without Hamas in government.

That seems fair but I'm obviously no expert.

I probably need to read more around this awful situation but neither side are covered in glory. Hamas started this particular situation but Israel are committing genocide. Of all the people in the world surely Jewish people can see how wrong that is?
Obviously, the general populations aren’t the ones making the decisions.
Will there ever be peace between Israelis and Palestinians?
I am sad, angry and distressed by what I see on the news.
Can any other nations actually effect a lasting peace?

Shame these arab countries aren't getting tougher with the hamas leaders they're hosting in luxury while the people of Gaza suffer.

So Reform are the Hamas of the UK ?

Righty ho.

Someone missed their calling here ....

Quite. This isn’t a playground spat. It is viscous facistic murderous thugs attempting to claim some legitimacy.

No,he issued demands of Hamas, but not conditions. The conditions only apply to Israel

Reform aren't going to sort out jack shit.

@Voxon Your first post was a really interesting read, thank you. Potentially disastrous for the region then, all for the sake of grand-standing. Food for thought.

Because in short Hamas is funded by Iran. The other Arab states are not fans of Iran (without getting into to too much history and also Iran is more Shia and Jordan, UAE, Saudi more Sunni), and they don't want Iran to continue funding other terrorist groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis is Yemen (they bomb ships and it hurts trade). Jordan also fears that Iran's precense in Syria is dangerous to them. Yemen has also become a failed state and there's been a crisis of malnutrition happening for months and months unfortunately. Plus they don't want any further disruption with Israel and also it's their region so obviously they'll have more impact espeically because they don't want to have to take in refugees from Gaza (particularly Jordan) and have the economic dominance in the region meaning they'll be responsible for the reconstruction and lots of aid work as well. It's also in their best interest that a. The war stops, and 2. Palestine runs as a functioning state.

lol what’s my calling?

Clearly I am being slow today as no idea what your inferring.