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Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:00

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt join calls for Hamas to disarm and exit Gaza to end war with Israel

Arab nations — including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt — joined calls Tuesday for Hamas to disarm and give up its grip on Gaza to end the 21-month war.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

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beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:55

Starmer is an idiot.

If Israel puts their weapons down then Israel will be invaded. If Hamas puts their weapons down that’s it, war is over.

Starmer has just given a terrorist group credence, He has done this to stop his back benchers joining Corbyn. Anti-Semitism is still rife in that party.
Starmer is not fit to be PM of this country.

randomchap · 30/07/2025 08:55

beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:51

Interesting how th adults don’t look like they are starving. During the Nazi persecution of the Jews it was the adults that were all skin and bones.

Yes it was. And it was a horrific crime that should never be forgotten or repeated.

The UN has said there is starvation in Gaza. Why are you trying to deny that there is?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvxgl5zxpo

Palestinians wait for food at a charity kitchen in Gaza City, northern Gaza (28 July 2025)

Famine 'currently playing out' in Gaza, UN-backed experts warn

It comes as aid agencies warn Israel's recent measures to increase aid supplies are not enough.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvxgl5zxpo

LumiK · 30/07/2025 08:55

Largely because Labour relies heavily on the Muslim vote to cling onto power. Look at how many independent councillors ran in the last local elections campaigning solely on Palestinian issues.

Jennps · 30/07/2025 08:59

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:22

Israel doesn't like Hamas? Should they be liking the murderous scum, who carried out a bloody massacre on 7/10?

Talk about spectacularly missing the point.

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:02

beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:51

Interesting how th adults don’t look like they are starving. During the Nazi persecution of the Jews it was the adults that were all skin and bones.

What a hideous post.

Truly people have sunk to disgusting depths in order to dehumanise Palestinians.

Helpins · 30/07/2025 09:07

The Arab states are directly calling on Hamas to disarm and relinquish control in Gaza.

The UK have mentioned disarmament, but are not directly calling for Hamas to relinquish control.

The Arab states are demanding Hamas hand over control to the PA.

Again, how is it that Arab states are demanding more of Hamas than we are?

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ruffler45 · 30/07/2025 09:11

None of this would be happening in Hamas were not around as they have the people terrorised in its severest form
Question is where does Hamas get it's money from, I guess Starmer and the rest of the world leaders know already.

sunsetbridges · 30/07/2025 09:11

randomchap · 30/07/2025 08:06

Starmer isn't recognising Hamas as a state, he is recognising Palestine.

Frankly if you can't see the difference then you shouldn't be commenting

randomchap has spoken @Helpins don't comment with your opinion.

ruffler45 · 30/07/2025 09:14

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KimberleyClark · 30/07/2025 09:16

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Seems Islamophobia is fine?

beelegal · 30/07/2025 09:19

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:02

What a hideous post.

Truly people have sunk to disgusting depths in order to dehumanise Palestinians.

This is the adults during the holocaust.

Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?
RainSoakedNights · 30/07/2025 09:19

Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:09

Yes whilst it’s still run by Hamas. It means the Uk will be recognising Hamas as the government of Palestine.

My god. You’ve bought the propaganda hook line and sinker.

sunsetbridges · 30/07/2025 09:21

Jennps · 30/07/2025 08:13

Let’s not kid ourselves that this is some kind of good vs evil battle. These things are always planned and orchestrated.

Israel doesn’t like Hamas. Hamas are basically permanent resident guests in Qatar. Qatar is the west’s biggest bestie in the Middle East, so much so that it gave Trump a private jet as a gift and one half the real estate in western capitals.

Go figure.

This is embarrassingly simplifying.

ruffler45 · 30/07/2025 09:21

KimberleyClark · 30/07/2025 09:16

Seems Islamophobia is fine?

What is Islamophobic about that?

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:24

beelegal · 30/07/2025 09:19

This is the adults during the holocaust.

Edited

Editing your post to hide doesn’t help.

You’re judging how starved bodies look compared to adult holocaust photos whilst you sit at home eating butter, eggs and whatever the fuck else.

Have a fucking word with yourself.

Inchworms · 30/07/2025 09:25

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yaaaaay full on racism on mumsnet again!

Voxon · 30/07/2025 09:25

Western politicians are free to behave like 6th formers, without understanding the consequences or without thinking those consequences will happen any time soon.

Arab leadership understands the islamist threat much more clearly. They were probably cringing at Macron and Starmer.

If a Palestinian state is recognised and then Hamas or another militant Islamist force overthrows the Palestinian Authority and seizes full control - West Bank and Gaza - the regional fallout would be massive.

Imagine this chain of events:

  1. UK, France, and others recognise Palestine.
  1. Hamas uses that momentum to oust the PA in the West Bank (as it did in Gaza in 2007).
  1. A Hamas-controlled “State of Palestine” is declared, covering both Gaza and the West Bank.
  1. The international community is paralysed because recognition has already happened.
  1. Iran celebrates. Israel mobilises.

For Saudi, the Abraham Accords dead. Saudi normalisation with Israel collapses, Saudi clerics and hardliners would call on the regime to fund or support the new “liberated” Palestine, Iran wpuld be strengthened. A Hamas-led state is Tehran’s proxy. Saudis would see this as an existential threat. Anti-regime Islamist sentiment could flare. Salafists and Islamists would rally around the “resistance” model everywhere having seen the rewards.

So the Saudi monarchy wkuld face increased domestic radicalisation, weakened diplomatic position, and potential internal unrest if not seeing its modernisation efforts reversed or even a complete takeover by clerics positioned as resistance.

Qatar has long backed Hamas politically and financially, but never had to deal with the consequences of Hamas. Once there were wild in the West Bank warring on israel even more boldly, western pressure on Qatar would skyrocket, sanctions, diplomatic isolation, withdrawal of US bases would be threatened. Qatar becomes a pariah or is forced to disown Hamas, leading to proxy conflict between Gulf states.

Egypt shares a border with Gaza and is already battling Islamist insurgents in the Sinai. A Hamas-run Palestine next door is like pouring petrol on that fire. The Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas’s parent group) is banned in Egypt; a Hamas-led state would energise its supporters.

Border control could collapse - weapons, fighters, ideology spill into Egypt and Egypt’s regime (military-led, secular, and anti-Islamist) would face renewed Islamist insurgency at home and chaos at its border. Theres imminent threat of destabilisation of Sisi’s government, and increased Iranian influence on its doorstep.

This move would hand power to Iran and its terror proxies. A Hamas-led Palestine = Iran’s dream scenario, a proxy state directly bordering Israel, armed to the teeth, with state legitimacy.

A terrorist-led “Palestine” kills the credibility of the peace process permanently. It would now become a fight to the death probably and who knows what deathtoll and outcome the world is looking at.

TModerate Arab states (Jordan, UAE, Morocco) are forced to choose: support Palestine or oppose Hamas, dividing the Arab world.

West Bank instability spills into Jordan. Massive Palestinian population in Jordan could become radicalised, with Hamas sympathisers challenging the monarchy. IMO Egypt and Jordan would be at high risk of an imminent islamist coup.

A Hamas takeover of a recognised Palestine would be a strategic catastrophe for the Arab world, especially for regimes trying to modernise, keep Islamism in check, and balance relations with the West.

They may hate Israel, but they fear Hamas far more. Recognition that inadvertently legitimises terror doesn’t just hurt Israel it burns down the regional order the Arab states have spent decades trying to hold together and it would set back the entire region by hundreds of years.

Starmer and Macron are so stupid.

JSMill · 30/07/2025 09:28

Helpins · 30/07/2025 09:07

The Arab states are directly calling on Hamas to disarm and relinquish control in Gaza.

The UK have mentioned disarmament, but are not directly calling for Hamas to relinquish control.

The Arab states are demanding Hamas hand over control to the PA.

Again, how is it that Arab states are demanding more of Hamas than we are?

Arab states see the threat of Islamic extremism. As long as there are people like Hamas operating in the region, it’s a threat to moderate Muslims. When Egypt was briefly governed by the Muslim Brotherhood, they opened up the tunnels into Sinai from Gaza, which allowed Isis to enter. It took years for the Egyptian army to rid the country of Isis, after they had overthrown the Muslim Brotherhood.

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 09:34

Jennps · 30/07/2025 08:59

Talk about spectacularly missing the point.

No, I'm addressing one point made, in a post. If that's uncomfortable for you, why is that?

beelegal · 30/07/2025 09:35

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:24

Editing your post to hide doesn’t help.

You’re judging how starved bodies look compared to adult holocaust photos whilst you sit at home eating butter, eggs and whatever the fuck else.

Have a fucking word with yourself.

You are clearly incapable of having a civil debate.
I am free to edit a post.
I am free to have a conversation and view point.
No need for the personal attacks.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 09:38

@Voxonwhat you say is concerning. Macron seems to have tied peace conditions to the state, whereas Starmer bizarrely is the only one reversing on conditions.

The Arab nations in op are making more robust and better informed statements.

randomchap · 30/07/2025 09:40

beelegal · 30/07/2025 09:19

This is the adults during the holocaust.

Edited

Yes, the Holocaust happened and was horrific.

But what does that have to do with starving Palestinians now?

needtostopnamechanging · 30/07/2025 09:40

I can’t see that Hamas handing Palestine to Isreal will do anything to further peace in the region which is certainly one way of interpreting the call for Hamas to surrender

LidlAmaretto · 30/07/2025 09:45

Helpins · 30/07/2025 09:07

The Arab states are directly calling on Hamas to disarm and relinquish control in Gaza.

The UK have mentioned disarmament, but are not directly calling for Hamas to relinquish control.

The Arab states are demanding Hamas hand over control to the PA.

Again, how is it that Arab states are demanding more of Hamas than we are?

I presume its because they are the only ones who have any influence over them. Hamas have got what they wanted-war in the ME, a breakdown of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries and they have used their own people as human shields to demonise Israel in the eyes of the world (ably assisted by Netanyahu and the Israeli government)
No matter how many marches people go on the only people that matter are the Qatari government and the US government. Qatar and other Arab countries are putting pressure on Hamas. The US government needs to do the same with Israel. The rest of the world ( including us) are insignificant.

PurpleChrayn · 30/07/2025 09:46

KimberleyClark · 30/07/2025 08:42

Israel supported Hamas in the 70s as a divide and rule tactic, to weaken the PLO. I was going to link an article about this from The Times of Israel but Google seems to have blocked their website.

And Ireland supported Hitler. What’s your point?