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Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:00

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt join calls for Hamas to disarm and exit Gaza to end war with Israel

Arab nations — including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt — joined calls Tuesday for Hamas to disarm and give up its grip on Gaza to end the 21-month war.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

OP posts:
EasyTouch · 30/07/2025 16:32

ruffler45 · 30/07/2025 09:11

None of this would be happening in Hamas were not around as they have the people terrorised in its severest form
Question is where does Hamas get it's money from, I guess Starmer and the rest of the world leaders know already.

Hamas controls ALL the aid into Gaza.

The world contribution to aid in Gaza alone was and is eye wateringly high.

And then there is Iran and via China and Russia. And no doubt Qatar which also contributed high amounts in bursaries to top universities in the US and UK in the last few decades so as to produce a " pro Palestine/ low key Islamist/ anti "Zionism" faculty /lecturer/ student body pipeline in each.
In the meantime , it's the " small hat cabal" conspiracy theories that are legion amongst these various bought and paid for entities.

And I've just found out that Iran found coin enough to bail out a broke South Africa just previous to her government taking Israel to court.....allegedly.

The Islamist " cause" has a breadth of enablers in non Muslim countries and communities by stealth.

The Labour Party should have never sold itself out to a religious block, especially one with such a low financial contribution rate per capita.

There was absolutely no reason or incentive to do so except for that low key " love affair" that liberal/ Leftists have developed for right wing ( culturally, even in its most benign form) Islam.

It's completely counterintuitive to the Liberal " cause".

And would never have happened if the " face' of Islam was White or Black ( yes, I know Islam and Muslims encompass all races, but " Brown" is the stereotypical default in the Western mind's eye").

SalonDesRefuses · 30/07/2025 16:41

to demonise Israel in the eyes of the world I think Israeli soldiers shooting innocents trying to get food is what's demonising them.

Palestine should be recognised as it's own state. Hamas is a different issue and they need to be stopped. I'm not in the military so can't really comment on how that should be done.

The PP saying the islamic religion should be crushed, is outrageous and offensive to true muslims who live their lives with peace.

Innocent children are starving and people are being killed by soldiers for trying to access aid. I don't see how anyone can support that.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 30/07/2025 16:51

EasyTouch · 30/07/2025 16:32

Hamas controls ALL the aid into Gaza.

The world contribution to aid in Gaza alone was and is eye wateringly high.

And then there is Iran and via China and Russia. And no doubt Qatar which also contributed high amounts in bursaries to top universities in the US and UK in the last few decades so as to produce a " pro Palestine/ low key Islamist/ anti "Zionism" faculty /lecturer/ student body pipeline in each.
In the meantime , it's the " small hat cabal" conspiracy theories that are legion amongst these various bought and paid for entities.

And I've just found out that Iran found coin enough to bail out a broke South Africa just previous to her government taking Israel to court.....allegedly.

The Islamist " cause" has a breadth of enablers in non Muslim countries and communities by stealth.

The Labour Party should have never sold itself out to a religious block, especially one with such a low financial contribution rate per capita.

There was absolutely no reason or incentive to do so except for that low key " love affair" that liberal/ Leftists have developed for right wing ( culturally, even in its most benign form) Islam.

It's completely counterintuitive to the Liberal " cause".

And would never have happened if the " face' of Islam was White or Black ( yes, I know Islam and Muslims encompass all races, but " Brown" is the stereotypical default in the Western mind's eye").

A worldwide Muslim conspiracy...where have we heard that before? A cabal of puppet master Muslims controlling the West.

Inchworms · 30/07/2025 17:05

”would never have happened if the " face' of Islam was White or Black ( yes, I know Islam and Muslims encompass all races, but " Brown" is the stereotypical default in the Western mind's eye").”

what on EARTH does this mean in the context of the rest of the post

Verv · 30/07/2025 17:13

Labour needs to appease its core demographics.

ohfook · 30/07/2025 17:35

@beelegal I’m not sure if you’re an actual idiot or if your post wasn’t in good faith, but anyone with a basic knowledge of famine will understand that it hits kids first then adults - kids have less weight to lose; it’s basic common sense. It’s also basic knowledge that the Nazis killed the kids on arrival at the camps so yes there will be a great deal more photos of starving adults in the camps than starving children.
We can be critical of Hamas and critical of the way the reporting narrative has turned without implying that people are lying about a famine.

nam3c4ang3 · 30/07/2025 17:44

But really does anyone even care what KS says or let alone believe him! He will change his mind next week 😂. Seriously tho - no one is scared or respects KS. He’s not taken seriously.

TruckDiver · 30/07/2025 20:57

Voxon · 30/07/2025 15:03

We understood it, but it's not a condition, it's a demand. Ie: if Hamas completely ignore everything he said, the UK will still follow through.

And why shouldn't we? The Palestinians are entitled to their own state; that entitlement isn't dependent upon what Hamas does. As long as it's clear that Hamas have no part to play in the process, can never hold power there and continue to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation, so what?

This isn't about rewarding Hamas (who don't want a two state solution anyway, so I fail to see how it would do so). It's about acknowledging the Palestinian right to statehood and ended the brutal and illegal occupation that led to the rise of groups like Hamas in the first place.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 21:17

TruckDiver · 30/07/2025 20:57

And why shouldn't we? The Palestinians are entitled to their own state; that entitlement isn't dependent upon what Hamas does. As long as it's clear that Hamas have no part to play in the process, can never hold power there and continue to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation, so what?

This isn't about rewarding Hamas (who don't want a two state solution anyway, so I fail to see how it would do so). It's about acknowledging the Palestinian right to statehood and ended the brutal and illegal occupation that led to the rise of groups like Hamas in the first place.

@TruckDiverHamas seem to be celebrating rn on getting closer to what they want.

Can you see a why to get from here to a legitimate Gov in Palestine / Gaza?

SalonDesRefuses · 30/07/2025 21:20

Hamas controls ALL the aid into Gaza.

How do you know this? Why are UK reporting Israeli soldiers have shot and killed civilians trying to get food parcels that Israel are supposed to be providing? More than 800 killed trying to access food.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 21:24

Way not why

Lolapusht · 30/07/2025 21:30

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:28

Expect to be met with the latest bout of your conflating antisemitism with criticising Israel. However, Islamophobia accusations were recently used to shut down debate elsewhere. This was when discussing Islamic fundamentalists.

Was that on the French school kids thread?!

May have been me with my rampant Islamophobia 😂

*I’m not actually Islamophobic, I just have a problem with Islamic fundamentalist
**I know other religions do similar things to Islamic fundamentalists and they don’t have exclusive rights on child marriage, honour killings etc

Voxon · 30/07/2025 21:41

TruckDiver · 30/07/2025 20:57

And why shouldn't we? The Palestinians are entitled to their own state; that entitlement isn't dependent upon what Hamas does. As long as it's clear that Hamas have no part to play in the process, can never hold power there and continue to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation, so what?

This isn't about rewarding Hamas (who don't want a two state solution anyway, so I fail to see how it would do so). It's about acknowledging the Palestinian right to statehood and ended the brutal and illegal occupation that led to the rise of groups like Hamas in the first place.

Can you explain what you're suggesting here? Hamas are the leaders of Gaza. Should a Palestinian state be recognised, how do you suggest they are removed from power?

A coup?
A civil war?

They already have power in Gaza.

JHound · 30/07/2025 21:43

Verv · 30/07/2025 17:13

Labour needs to appease its core demographics.

What core demographic?

EastLifer · 30/07/2025 22:38

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:22

Israel doesn't like Hamas? Should they be liking the murderous scum, who carried out a bloody massacre on 7/10?

Well Israel funded Hamas…. An easily checkable fact.

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 22:52

EastLifer · 30/07/2025 22:38

Well Israel funded Hamas…. An easily checkable fact.

Well Hamas murdered Israelies. An easily checkable fact.

ThatDaringEagle · 30/07/2025 23:08

Israel are now a rogue, right wing, fundamentalist state that are run by a dangerous prime minister wanted by the ICJ for war crimes , genocide & crimes against humanity, amongst other things...

They are building illegal settlements in occupied territories for decades now. These clearly contravene prior agreements & peace accords. In the past year Israel has descended into cynical ethnic cleansing, stopping humanitarian aid and causing a famine and untold hardship on the civilian Palestinian people of gaza, the West Bank & Palestine. Their soldiers now randomly shoot starving people simply trying to access food & humanitarian aid that other countries & more civilised societies have sent for the people of Palestine who are under daily siege by the IDF.

Israel through their IDF, are committing genocide, unspeakable war crimes, and crimes against humanity, such as withholding humanitarian aid to a starving civilian population who are now trying to survive in an Israeli maintained famine. This is terrorism on a national scale. Simply scary stuff. These are just some of the facts. The UN have verified all of these & more.

Meanwhile the rest of the world look on posturing & prevaricating over what politician says what. I mean why exactly are the free world, who espouse holding up human rights & UN charterers etc still trading with this right wing rogue state, whose IDF thugs are actively committing genocide & crimes against humanity, led by the absolute tyrant who is Netanyahu !?

TempestTost · 31/07/2025 00:20

TruckDiver · 30/07/2025 20:57

And why shouldn't we? The Palestinians are entitled to their own state; that entitlement isn't dependent upon what Hamas does. As long as it's clear that Hamas have no part to play in the process, can never hold power there and continue to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation, so what?

This isn't about rewarding Hamas (who don't want a two state solution anyway, so I fail to see how it would do so). It's about acknowledging the Palestinian right to statehood and ended the brutal and illegal occupation that led to the rise of groups like Hamas in the first place.

What people are trying to get at, I think, is that if western states like the UK recognise Palestine as a state, it limits the kinds of actions they can take toward Hamas.

It's not about what Hamas thinks about any of it. It's that it's considered a big deal, even an act of war, to attempt to remove the government of another nation, whether or not they are good or evil or even if they are some kind of dictatorship.

Right now the status of Hamas doesn't protect them in that way, but if they are the official government.

Setting a precedent of simply removing a government they don't like doesn't look good, and they likely don't want to be in a position where they are now at war with a legitimate governing body of a state. It's not likely that desirable even to say, we recognise you as a state, but we won't negotiate with your government.

Or to put it another way, it doesn't do much good for Palestinians to recognise them as a state, and immediately they become a rogue state without normal international relations, or even at war with other states. They would be terribly isolated.

It could also make it less likely that some other group could arise and replace Hamas.

The fact is that as long as Hamas is there, it's going to be very difficult for any real change or progress to happen in Gaza, and that's not just because of Israel, nor because they have no interest in doing anything good for the people of Gaza, it's because no other moderate nation, including the Arab moderate nations, wants to have anything to do with them.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 31/07/2025 00:31

It's lip service because Starmer wants to be seen to be doing something. Palestine has been completely destroyed and large areas have been taken over by illegal settlers. Israel is also going to annexe it. The current aid drops, which do more harm than good, are for show.

The West needs to stop supplying weapons and sanction Israel.

TruckDiver · 31/07/2025 00:33

Gaza hasn't had an election since 2006.

Hamas is not, and has never been, the government of the West Bank.

So just because Hamas is currently the government of Gaza, doesn't mean it automatically becomes the government of Palestine. We don't even know what land Palestine will consist of yet, let alone how it's political representation will work. There's no reason western states can't completely cut Hamas out of the process - Hamas have destroyed their own legitimacy as a negotiating power, after all.

travelqueen2000 · 31/07/2025 00:33

Israel is also a terrorist organisation!

Supersimkin7 · 31/07/2025 00:38

No it isn’t. Daft.

No one wants Palestinians because they’re terrorist supporters and the other Arab states know trouble when they see it.

I wish the uk would stay out of this - everyone Arab is. They’re not stupid.

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:35

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ApartFromAllThat · 31/07/2025 01:43

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:22

Israel doesn't like Hamas? Should they be liking the murderous scum, who carried out a bloody massacre on 7/10?

Israel are murderous...higher life? Hamas, terrible as they are, could only dream of been as terrible as Israel and bombing as many hospitals, killing as many children through bombs and starvation, and also doing the same to women, and yes men, cos they are people too.

ApartFromAllThat · 31/07/2025 01:51

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24 loves and likes? Well you best take your mandate directly to Starmer and advise him that in your well supported view that 60k dead Palestinians doesn't touch the side of 24/10.