Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

That's no way to talk about the second coming ...

Now you have lost me even more 😅

Yes this. Even Macron hasn’t done this.

Hamas is only governing Gaza, not Palestine as a whole. I mean almost two years into this war, if you didn’t know that not sure what you do know!

That's a really useful clarification, thank you.

It's hard to see the nuance in the way it is being reported

Why? because you struggled to comprehend the the whole post. Well, we can’t help you there. You’ll have to try harder.

Probably still too complex for you to comprehend.

Also OP, Britain and France have called on Hamas to down weapons and disband.

so not sure what your issue is, to be honest

No they didn’t.
They did send condolences on his death, as they were officially neutral during the war.
Practically though, the Irish government supported the allies.

See @Voxonearlier post on it not being a condition here, although it is for France.

The recognition of the Palestinian state should not be conditional. It should be absolute.

But Israel funded Hamas to prevent a two state solution, to prevent Palestinians have their own country.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

So you don’t agree with Starmer then and can see an issue? It is conditional.

Also do you mean if Hamas are in power, they should be recognised as legitimate?

That’s ridiculous. Palestine is not Hamas, and recognising the state is not the same thing as endorsing its government. To say that is the same as saying that because the uk recognises the statehood of russiw( they endorse the Russian government!

It’s a question, if Hamas are in power what would you want to do?

You said absolute so do you go ahead as stated or are you seeing there is a condition.

I asked if Hamas were in power, that means they part of the state. How could they not be, who would you be dealing with?

btw France and Arab nations have said they can’t be.

I believe that the state of Palestine should be recognised. That is not, nor has it ever been, an endorsement of their government. Otherwise we would literally never recognise the statehood of any other country. Ever.

You honestly think that complaining because people don’t look quite starving enough for you is civil? These people are fucking human beings, it’s always the young and ill etc that starve first because their bodies have less tolerance. And btw the babies that are starving are doing so because their mothers are starving and so aren’t producing milk. Fucking hell.

Are you thinking similar to Afghanistan where the Taliban is not recognised? Or if not which country, just to understand what is you’re wanting.

Does a situation where Hamas are in power but not recognised help the people? Surely it’s better for Arab nations to put their removal as a condition so the people can have a government others do recognise?

It’s not about recognising Hamas. It’s recognising the state of Palestine.

Only read the first page of this thread and the responses are so divided and toxic at times.

It is not mutually exclusive to condemn both the October 23 atrocity and the subsequent Israeli genocide. We live in a world where can can say both are wrong.

One caused the deaths of around 1300 people. The other has caused the deaths of 60,000 people. One side we supply arms to. The other side we have proscribed as a terrorist organisation.

It's about time we recognise Palestine as a state. It's about time we stop sending arms to Israel. We should be sanctioning the Israeli government and the Israeli economy. Our government has been silent for too long and I'm pleased theyre starting to say something now. Much more needs to be said and done but it's a start.

Yes I’m aware, but would it concern you that the people of Gaza would have Hamas in power who had no recognition?

If the Arab nations can use conditions to get the people a gov that other nations do deal with isn’t that better?

You’re not making any sense.

I believe the people of Palestine should be recognised. I also believe Hamas shouldn’t be in existence. Happy?

If you read what the conditions are from the Arab nations and France you’ll see they do include conditions around Hamas not being in power. It is you that wants an absolute decision without that. You said no conditions.

I don’t see how your version helps.

Here. The post on it being absolute.

Because I believe them to be two separate issues. I have maintained that, you just seem to take issue with it. I don’t think recognition of a state should be conditional upon who is in power, or be seen to be an endorsement of their current regime.