Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

The problem which I think the Arab nations are picking up on is how to remove Hamas, as you say you don’t want them in existence, that’s easy to say harder to do.

That needs pressure somehow. Which in this case takes the form of conditions.

I don’t see how you get them out of existence otherwise, in which case how does it help people to have a gov no one will deal with.

But, again. They are two separate issues. Hamas doesn’t care one jot whether Palestine is recognised as a state or not.

It is wild to me that ‘discourse’ has managed to make recognising an existing state and people a debatable point. Palestine is a state. There should be no question but instead a bunch of people are dilly dallying about going ‘oh but Hamas’. It’s as bananas as saying Afghanistan shouldn’t be recognised as a state, or North Korea. They are states.

Afghanistan, North Korea, Russia, some may argue the USA, there’s plenty of nations with questionable leaders. Only one that people refuse to recognise

Life is cheap to these sorts of terrorists.

Hamas do not care about the lives of ordinary Palestinians, hence siting their tunnels under schools, nurseries, hospitals etc. They don’t care. We do! But they don’t.

They believe that to die ‘a martyr’ is an honour.

Same with 911. All airline security prior to that attack was based on the assumption that if you stuck a bomb on a plane you wouldn’t be prepared to fly on that plane yourself. As I say, life is cheap (when you’re a jihadi terrorist).

Starmer has specifically said the opposite of this - that Hamas cannot have any part whatsoever in negotiations toward a Palestinian state.

Well you may be right I haven’t read their wants re a state, they may be more committed to terrorist aims than legitimacy or disbanding so the people can have it rather.

In which case there’s the problem of how not to have them in power or existence, as you don’t want either. How would you achieve that?

Ahem, Ireland did not support Hitler.

Ireland stayed neutral , on the side of the allies, during the 2nd World War.

This was after Ireland had huge casualties in World War 1, was still denied it's independence despite promises to the contrary for supporting that War effort, which led to a rising in 1916 and ultimately an Irish civil war over the settlement imposed on them by the UK. This was after already approximately 800 years of oppression from a brutal, colonising neighbour, who had also presided over a genocide during the Irish famine, when Irish farmers had to export their food instead of feeding the starving local people, including many family members

Israel are now inflicting a famine on the people of Palestine. This is a fact. They are doing this by blocking humanitarian aid to the oppressed and starving Palestinian people. It is not anti semitic to state this fact. The UN have stated this repeatedly and Netanyahu is wanted by the ICJ for war crimes, genocide & crimes against humanity.

What more do you need to know!?

Again, you cannot base your recognition of a state on their government.

Good news then.

"The UK government’s statement also reiterates its demands for Hamas to immediately release all the hostages, sign up to an immediate ceasefire with Israel, commit to disarmament and accept it will play no part in the government of Gaza."

Yes but the recognition of a Palestinian state is not conditional upon Hamas giving up power. It’s a demand, but meaningless. Hamas can and will refuse to give up power, and the UK will go ahead and recognise Palestine as a state regardless in September.

What part of "accept it will play no part in the government of Gaza" do you not understand?

We understood it, but it's not a condition, it's a demand. Ie: if Hamas completely ignore everything he said, the UK will still follow through.

I’m aware of your view on this. If there’s zero leverage as you seem certain of then that’s not great.

It’s worth a try from the Arab nations as a legitimate gov is the best outcome.

But what I don’t think you’re acknowledging is it means nothing to Hamas. They don’t care if Palestine is recognised or not.

Thank you! I am sick of reading on this site some bots dehumanising the people of Palestine. I don’t for a second believe that they’re even real that’s how evil they sound. The whole world knows the truth and Isreal government can no longer hide their absolute evilness and nastiness. I have not met one person in real life that agrees with the shit they’re doing, and I am around all different people from all different walks of life/professions.

It is not a war; it is a genocide happening right in front of our eyes. Some people are so human less I can see why slavery/holocaust happened. Just evil and pathetic.

I’ve already posted in response to that below.

Can you see a way to get a state with a legitimate gov ie no Hamas?

Don't worry OP, not much chance of Starmer actually doing what he says.

Exactly. Hammas are sitting there and seeing people around them starve, knowing they could stop this tomorrow by returning hostages and relinquishing power.

But the government of Gaza (Hammas) does not care about its own people's suffering, it puts its agenda first at any cost.

I don’t know. But what I do know is that that doesn’t decide whether it’s a country or not.

There is a Hamas quote on this decision and they are happy to hear Starmer’s statement. So they may well care about the statehood after all, it’s more that they wish to be at the head of it too.

A senior Hamas official has welcomed Sir Keir Starmer’s promise to recognise Palestine, saying that “victory and liberation are closer than we expected”.

Recognising Palestine as a state has nothing to do with Hamas.

Your point is also incoherent as all those Arab states recognise Palestine as a state.

Youre not seriously still doing ‘tunnels under hospitals’ are you

Everyone already recognises Palestine as a state. We simply have different opinions on the freedoms the civilians there should have. The same posters here stating that they shouldn't be recognised, are arguing 'why should Israel help them?' on other threads.

He issued demands of Hamas, but not conditions. The conditions only apply to Israel

I'd expect nothiing else from Starmer, @Voxon, especially at a time when he may risk losing MPs to Corbyn and his hideously antisemitic cronies

Otherwise, can I say how refreshing it is to read nuanced posts from someone who clearly has some understanding of what's actually happening in the area and doesn't restrict themselves to silly soundbites and competittive emotion