To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

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Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

I’d vote for the Downing Street cat over Reform.

Nobody, because that's simply not true. 🙄

Who?

I look at Brexshite and think how has that gone. And that’s my answer. How on earth a chancer like Farage could dream of winning an election is beyond me. He’s an admirer of Thatcher and loved the lettuce’s budget. Only have to look at the damage both of them did to the UK, why would we want a repeat ?

It is true.

They still are all the teens seem to of just downloaded vpns. Top result free on App Store. No more ID check.

So really the id for porn is nothing more than another look over there not here.

Please do feel free to explain to me how the zero growth of late 2022 that resulted in a recession is better than the 0.7 of the first quarter of 2025. 0.7 is in itself pitiful, of course. But it's not worse than zero.

While it’s true it’s easy to get round, it means kids won’t accidentally stumble across it.

Do you understand why economic growth matters? Or are you just regurgitating words because they sound clever? And by the way the growth numbers will get revised down anyway.

Economic growth is supposed to bring in higher tax revenues. Firstly, the highest rate tax payers are leaving the country in their hundred of thousands since Labour came to power.

Second the bond market is so unhappy with this government that gilt yields are higher now than under Liz Truss.

Economic growth is simply massaged through very high immigration numbers while GDP per capita is tanking. And the ever dwindling tax receipts per person are wiped out in higher debt interest because of Rachel from accounts and Two Tier’s economic vandalism.

Net result is a country headed towards economic meltdown faster than when Truss was around. Greece style.

I don't know what you mean about me trying to "sound clever". Most people understand the concept of percentages in relation to economic growth.

GDP per capita was also lower under Truss in 2022 than it is now, so your point doesn't stand.

Total UK government tax receipts, last quarter of 2022: £184,990m

Total UK government tax receipts, second quarter of 2025: £209,575m

I don't know exactly how that would work out adjusted for inflation, but then that would beg the question of the Truss-Kwarteng disaster causing the following period of high inflation by tanking the pound in the first place.

And debt interest and deficit even higher than before.

Anyone can copy paste selective stats. But it doesn’t hide the truth.

The economy was a disaster under the Tories. It’s in the toilet now. When the markets are so unhappy with the government that our browsing rates are higher than all other comparative countries, that only ends in one place. The IMF.

There's nothing selective about it. You claimed that tax receipts were lower now than in the period following Truss's disaster mini-budget, so I compared the quarter following the mini-budget with the quarter immediately preceding now, which shows that that's bollocks.

If we have a Greece-style meltdown and an IMF bailout then you can come on here and thumb your nose and say "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!". In the meantime, the atrocious handling of the economy under Tory Truss and its disastrous consequences actually happened.

Either way, you don't get to just make up counterfactual shit and not get called on it.

I hope that if nearer the time Reform really look likely to win the next election there can be some kind of coalition agreement - or even informal arrangements on a case by case basis depending on the circumstances in any given constituency - between the centre/left/progressive parties to keep Reform out.

Lib Dems, Greens, Labour, SNP etc need to find a way to co-operate and put the welfare of the country over party politics.

That’s one of the things that has infuriated me about Corbyn’s new party - it splits the left even more. I really can’t bear him and blame him for Brexit nearly as much as Farage and Johnson. But there’s no way on earth I’d ever vote Reform, so if it came to a forced choice between them I suppose I would very reluctantly have to go with Corbyn.

Do you have a link to something showing the departure of higher rate taxpayers since Labour took office a year ago and anything showing a causal impact?

Corbyn hasn't split the left. Starmer did that by throwing Corbyn, along with a vast swathe of the left-leaning membership, out of the party. The Labour left were perfectly happy to continue arguing their case democratically within the broad church of the Labour party - if they've been forced to do it in a less electorally effective way, you have only Starmer to blame.

As for pacts and alliances, I'm certainly hoping there will be one between this new party and the Greens. But if Starmer is still Labour leader at that poing (and that's a big IF) it will be a cold day in Hell that he makes any kind of agreement with Corbyn or a party including him. After investing so much in the performative centrism of "purging" the party of left wing influences, the pinnacle of that process being chucking out Corbyn himself, he would be a laughing stock if he had to admit he needed a deal with them.

But then if there's a different Labour leader by then, who knows.

I agree with your take.

I did pick up on a potential agreement if Polanski wins Green leadership by a commentator. That’s more likely than Labour and Corbyn getting together.

I think this is unfair on Corbyn, forever he has been against the idea of splitting the Labour party. I would have loved to have seen a split years ago, combined with a fairer electoral system. Annoyingly Labour have always been resistant in this regard. I guess they have hung onto the thought that they'd need a majority to push an agenda. Yet now they have a super majority - they are just doing nothing useful with it whatsover. Corbyn has been kicked out of New New Labour so hasn't really anywhere else to go. I like the guy and would take him a million times over Reform, who are party with representative and supporters with hardly a brain cell between them. Sadly though I think the press have demonised him soo much at this point that he's apparently toxic. Having said that I doubt Labour in their current incarnation will get any support after supporting the Israeli genocide. They'll go the way of the Tories and spaff their majority away completely. I guess there's always a centrist coalition with the Libdems...