To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

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Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

How long have Labour been in for and how long were the conservatives in for? It’s very convenient to blame Labour when the Tories were in government for last 14 years!

I will never vote Reform so if they were the only choices I would vote for Jeremy.
Luckily there will be other choices and I doubt Reform will get in, as most people would vote for any other option to keep them out.

Labour hasn’t lost any of anywhere to anyone yet. There’s 4 years before an election. Personally I’ll be doing everything I can to keep Reform out at that point, because I won’t encourage and facilitate racism for any reason.

Corbyns party will split the labour vote, thus enable reform to win.

So it is about immigration, then? I thought you said you were a one policy voter and it wasn’t immigration? Yet you listed it as your #1 there. You know that Farage makes you hate asylum seekers and he caused it all the first place.

He advocated for Brexit and forced Cameron’s hand, then buggered off and cashed in so he couldn’t be blamed when the shit inevitably hit the fan. It also created a convenient scapegoat for him because it contributed to the problem we have now, and he’s used that as his campaign to gain a foothold in mainstream politics once again… it started out about Eastern Europeans and now it’s everyone else. He just stokes pure hatred and plays with people’s emotions

After Covid when everybody lost faith in the Tories and authorities in general, he suddenly popped back up promising to fix things, and people’s lack of faith in experts is also why everyone falls for his bullshit and simple explanations for complex issues so readily. He misrepresents everything. He’s a master manipulator, a hypocrite and a gaslighter.

He said he didn’t want to be dictated to by unelected bureaucrats and that was why he wanted Brexit, then he wants to get Trump involved in British politics? He says on LBC radio that none of our politicians know what they are doing, some of them have no experience and we need professional experts, not necessarily elected representatives, even though reforms councillors are inexperienced and elected. Need I go on? The man is a scumbag.

Agreed.

I want to make it clear first that I'm not defending Labour, who I've abandoned for my own reasons. I'm just interested in the logic behind different peoples' voting intentions.

#1 Given that Starmer has now actually put policies in place to deal with the small boats, is it not worth at least giving that a chance to see if it works? They've only been in power for a year and a bit. Or: IF immigration numbers have come down significantly by the next election, would that change your mind?

#2 Certainly true. But while "Bloke Down The Pub Nige" has done a good job of capitalising on that from the POV of image and PR, what actual concrete policies of Reform do you think will make it better? Surely a lower tax society with the resulting reduction in government spending (making it impossible for the government to take action to stimulate regional economies, fund training etc.) will only make it worse?

"Cheeky Chappy Boris" was pretty good at convincing people he was One Of The Lads too. Turns out results have more to do with your actual political philosophy and how you put it into practice, than they do with clever PR photo opportunities.

If you follow the question in previous post you’ll see why it’s no 1 in that answer.

Labour has 100% lost , I just gave you the example of Durham. A lot of people are very, very angry with Labour and the political class. They feel disenfranchised and left behind. That's what drives Reform and you denying it is exactly what enables Reform to be elected.
The UK feels like a tinder box at the moment and Labour are doing nothing to stop it imploding.

Starmer is loathed by many people especially in these Red Wall areas. Have you seen the full recordings of his press condremcea with Trump yesterday? They were a complete car crash for Starmer + Labour. The man is not fit for the job.

By all means be an ostrich but then don't claim to be "surprised" in 4 years time.

1 - again, what have they not done that the voters would expect? They’ve made agreements with France and Germany, speeded up assessment and returned many more than the Tories were doing. And what would Reform do? Other than use it as an excuse to take your human rights, I mean.
2 - again, what do you want them to do? And if you think Rayner is metropolitan elite…(or Streeting, though he is a Londoner I suppose). Reform are elitist. Farage went to public school. Tice lives in Dubai
3 - misinformation. They denied calls for an investigation because a) there had been one and its recommendations hadn’t yet been implemented (by the Tories) and b) because a report was already being written. The person doing that had said she felt it wouldn’t need another investigation. During writing it she changed her mind and recommended one - so Starmer implemented it. Reform won’t protect women and girls.

They aren't MY priorities. They are the list of reasons why voters in certain areas are leaving Labour! Read the bloody Q that my post was in response to

They aren't MY priorities. They are the list of reasons why voters in certain areas are leaving Labour! Read the bloody Q that was posed to me

What a shame Starmer was so short sighted as to throw them out of the Labour party then, eh?

Exactly. It’s right there in the post you’re answering.

Still, the man is a slimy scumbag, and if you think he will help you or your kids, I think you’ve got another, very sobering think coming if they get in. Each to their own, though

they haven’t lost the parliamentary seats. That’s just a fact. I’m not denying there’s an issue, just suggesting it might look different in 4 years - after all, a week is famously a long time in politics. Local councils are a very different proposal - and Reform councillors across the country are resigning or being dropped. I wouldn’t even guarantee that being the same in 4 years from now.
If there’s a ‘tinderbox’ it’s because of Farage stoking it I’m afraid. Other posters have pointed out how his policies would impact those you say you care about way, way more than Labour’s, but you don’t seem bothered.

All true but @cardibach's point that the election is 4 years away still stands. Most pertitently to what you're saying here: we don't know that Starmer will still be Labour leader at that time. (If the Labour party have any sense, he won't be 😂).

And that's exactly what I think of Starmer.
I don't support Farage but he is no different to many MPs.
Trump exposed Starmer yesterday in a way the UK press have do far failed to do. He glitched, buffered and stuttered. Complete subordination to Trump and utterly unfit for office.

Farage is absolutely different from most MPs. He’s a lazy grifter. Even the worst of the recent Tories’ excess dont come close. But if you think Trump can show anyone up (or more specifically, that anything of the sort happened yesterday) your political position is suddenly much clearer.

Well support for Reform has grown over last 12 months during the supposed "honeymoon" period for Labour.
They have proven themselves unfit to lead any country, they act like they are still in opposition and are fucking up everything they touch. The gaslighting and mendacious lying is off the scale and most of public are now seeing through them.
They will be the architects of their own downfall. Farage doesn't even have to do much for next 4 years but sit back and watch.

I really cannot get my head around women voting for a party that clearly hates them.

Reform do not care about women, children or the disabled.

No it doesn't tell you anything.
Have you actually watched the full (not edited) versions of the press conferences? It was the most excruciating thing I've ever seen. I don't agree with Trump but he outplayed Starmer on everything.
Watch the full recordings. Starmer was atrocious.

Totally agree. Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He exposed KD well and was cringeworthy watching a supposed leader fall apart so badly and stumble his words out like a child in a nativity play. He knew Trump would see through his lies and pitiful excuses.
Bravo to the POTUS

I don't know which one is the most grim to be honest. I could never vote for either one. If they were the only 2 parties available, I wouldn't vote.

Neither do Labour! They couldn't define what a woman was until the courts told them the definition