To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

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Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

Not sure about that. People often vote to get a party out rather than another in.

If you get a ground swell of that the opposition can use vague stuff like ‘change’, or toolmaker or poor policy and still get in.

The trouble is a fair few people then become disgruntled as now Labour are actually in, policies aren’t great and support is going down pretty fast.

So who knows, get them out might be for next GE too.

In your opinion

Yes, they vote to get out their least favourite party by voting for one they don’t like as much as their favourite but which has a chance of beating the least favourite. They base their ranking on political ideologies or policies and how they will affect things they believe in.
Voting Reform to get Labour out because you don’t like lying and you are worried for the least advantaged and SEND children is nuts, because Reform are worse on every count. Yet that’s what a PP is saying she’ll do.

I wouldn’t vote

Can you name policies that will be better or more feasible? Dumping people in France, shooting people at sea and slashing dinghies don't count.

In your opinion.

I don't dispute that the Labour Party has had issues with antisemitism. They have attempted to deal with this. Corbyn was kicked out of the Labour Party if you recall.

However, neither the Labour Party's problems with antisemitism nor indeed the Tory Party's problem with islamophobia are comparable to Reform's problems with racism. Racism and xenophobia are at the very core of Reform's reason for being.

I mean, you only have to pay close attention to what they stand for and what they say to get an idea of what they will be like, and even that won’t be accurate. They’re on the best behaviour now and trying to word things extremely carefully to keep the gullible on side. All part of the game. Hope you can afford to pay for healthcare and don’t mind losing your human rights, and I hope you don’t have SEN children or ever need benefits in your life, that’s all I can say.

Slashing dinghies is with Labour in power. If this is a growing issue still then whoever wants to win should look to the country who has done it, run on similar and get voter mandate.

Surely if one party, any party, was your only option 'voting' would be meaningless anyway, albeit you might have to, in a one party state.

But that's exactly what happened last time, and I also called it insanity at the time.
Then look how quickly Labour's poll ratings plummeted as people realised what they had actually voted for in their haste to get rid of the tories.

There will be a massive get labour out vote. They have bet the future on growth and then taken every step they can to block it from happening. They already reversed some of the few cost saving measures they had come up with. There is only so much they will be able to save by killing off the terminally ill.

People vote how they note, I don’t think anyone can sum it up with this certainty. Some switch, some always stick to one party, and some vote for anyone to get the people they don’t like out.

ETA this might be what you’d do, but that’s not everyone.

Fast moving thread. I asked a question earlier which got lost, which I'd actually be interested in answers to not just from the person I asked but from all those determined to vote "anyone but Labour" because of immigration:

IF the amount of net migration is significantly lower by the next election, would that change your mind and make you vote Labour?

To which one could add:

How much lower? (I read that net migration in 2024 was c. 430,000, down from c. 860,000 in 2023. That's a big drop already. Suppose they got it down to c. 100,000, for example? Or to 0?)

And:

If not, why not?

In light of everything they’ve said about their policies and political position.

Nope.
Net migration is down due to policies enacted by Sunak/Cleverly. Thankfully Labour have kept those policies as they are working.

Small boats however, are up 50% with nothing on the horizon to reduce it. If Labour get this under control, they may stand a chance, but I won't hold my breath.

It isn’t though. People tactically voting knew it would likely lead to a Labour majority and they judged that would be better for their priorities than the Tories. It’s inevitable that those who are old style Tories or whatever then don’t like everything Labour does. Let’s wait 4 years before making a decision on the effect of it all though, shall we?
Voting reform out of worry for less advantaged and SEND children is not doing this. Farage has basically said he doesn’t believe SEND exists. So either the PP is pretending this is her motivation or she’s doing something objectively worse for t(e people she is trying to help.

That wasn’t the question. I’d be interested in your answer too.

Net migration is down due to policies enacted by Sunak/Cleverly. Thankfully Labour have kept those policies as they are working.

Surely that's to their credit, that they've been sensible enough to keep those policies?

Small boats however, are up 50% with nothing on the horizon to reduce it. If Labour get this under control, they may stand a chance, but I won't hold my breath.

So basically for you it's more about the small boat numbers than the overall immigration numbers. So rephrase the question: If they got THAT under control, and reduced the numbers of small boats to near 0 (leave aside how unlikely you consider that to be) would you vote for them? If not, why not, when they're doing exactly what you wanted?

And if you consider it very unlikely to happen, what do you think Reform can actually DO to make it more likely?

The trouble with reform and their voters is, they don’t actually care for facts and data, so even if Labour did get immigration down to 0, I can predict what will happen next - it will be one of two things:

1. Either they will say the government is lying to get votes, and it can’t be true because they see brown people in the street
2. They will blame the government because the economy has tanked and they will be worse off because there’s less people working in public services.

They say they care but they couldn’t give a monkeys, they just don’t want the current government and they want an excuse to spew their hate.

I don't know what JC stands for... I actually think most people don't. They just think he's cool because people sang at him at Glastonbury...

That's a pretty big generalisation of 40% of the country.

What do you mean they don't care about facts?

Brexit would have been a stonking success if Farage had been in charge and we'd be thriving. His uncosted manifesto, which promises the earth while slashing taxes, looks blinding. His promises to tear up our human rights with everything that implies such as it kicking off again in NI and reducing our rights looks awesome. Who doesn't want private healthcare? Who doesn't want acrimony with our allies? Who doesn't want huge wealth disparity and a mass influx in homelessness and hunger?

Well, there’s that. There’s also the Labour manifesto from when he was leader. Apparently a lot of it was very popular with voters when they didn’t know which party had proposed it.

I cant answer that I'm afraid as they are not my top priorities either. Small boats are a bigger issue than legal migration though.
I haven't voted Labour since Iraq, and I can't forgive this current version of Labour for what they've done to small businesses. Nothing would make me vote Labour.