To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

[Bunion8]

Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

They’re extremely predictable. I’ve seen enough evidence of it, and if they cared for facts and integrity, they wouldn’t be voting for reform in the first place, or believing a single thing that comes out of that slimy fascists gob. They appeal to a certain demographic. I know it’s not nice to hear.

Some don’t believe Starmer. That’s politics, voting and democracy for you. You get a vote and just your own, no one else’s.

Immigration is probably my #1 core issue but I think most parties are not strong enough on it, so I'm not sure if I meet the "anyone but Labour" criterion, but here goes.

It would need to be significantly below 100k - which is an extreme amount only normalised by the even more extreme later years. Remember, 0 net migration still means some immigration (as there is also emigration).

Of the actual immigration (not net) figures, I would also want to see a significant shift in the mix. The current system prioritises a) very low skilled immigration and b) very culturally dissimilar immigration. So far, the noises Labour have made on this have been mixed, and somewhat insecure; they've also said that they'll not change family visas, for example, which is basically just a chain migration route at this point.

200k net migration, trending downwards, consisting of a bunch of young Australian tradies - I'll take it.

If they're able to do that, it would mean they've overcome some pretty significant internal challenges and confronted many assumptions, and would then be a proven party with serious apparatus with a track record.

200k net but it's even more skewed towards cousin marriages and takeaway shop managers than it is today - not good enough.

Honestly? I don’t like the choice but it would come down to who would be the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Our economy is the most important issue (to me) and it is pretty fragile. It doesn’t take much to set the markets off - and I can’t see Reform or YourParty being good at keeping the economy stable.

It’s an interesting question though. I live in Islington South, where any vote that isn’t for Labour is a protest or wasted vote. BUT people there know and like JC (you see him around quite a lot) so it may be possible that he would win in my constituency. I do not expect that the Home Counties would vote for YourParty (which they would need to for them to get elected).

Reform may end up doing well in the countryside and Home Counties but not in central London.

Don’t believe Starmer all you like, this is less about Starmer and more about Farage. He is caught out in lying and hypocrisy all the time, I demonstrated it a few posts further up with my first post of the day on this thread. He’s literally the biggest liar in politics and misrepresents facts for his own ends to make people froth at the mouth.

People who care about truth can’t criticise one for lying and then believe someone like Farage, who also happens to worship Trump, the biggest narcissist in existence who thinks absolutely nothing of spewing complete bullshit every five minutes to make himself look good 😂

Surely that's not true. You may disagree with what he stands for, but he's been far clearer and more consistent about what it is over his long career than practically any other politician left or right. This is about the least valid objection that can be levelled at him.

That’s great. Still if enough dislike Starmer and Labour he’ll have problems at next GE.

Parties tend to get voted out over voted in when disliked. It is actually about Labour because often the next in line is just a party that hasn’t messed up recently on a national level. Which leaves the two in the op’s thread title.

I agree with this tbf. Especially now. The statement I read a few days ago was the most direct and clear on a position than any other party I’d read.

Thanks - that's a very reasonable answer.

Although, when you say "takeaway shop managers" - shouldn't the independence and work ethic of taking on one's own small business and becoming a working tax payer be a GOOD thing in appraising the value of different immigrant groups? Isn't that what anti-immigration proponents are always saying immigrants should do?

You know the UBer drivers and takeaway shop managers work 16 hours a week whilst their wife's just do nothing but look after kids/home. This maximising their benefits. If you’re being serious have take away shop managers but they can’t claim universal credit top ups and therefore get their rent paid. In London more than 50% of social housing is first generation migrants. First generation immigrants are also high on claiming universal credit in particular Asians. We’ve been importing the unskilled, uneducated and poor that’s the problem.

if you support Farage doing fuck all work on public money then you don’t get to disparage anyone else’s work ethic or lack thereof.

Problem is-other people will…..

Did you read his manifesto?

It seems completely nuts to me to vote for something because it ‘can’t be worse’ or ‘probably won’t be worse’. Of course it can be worse! Things can always be worse. Vote Reform by all means, but only if you really want what they’re offering (chaos, as far as I can tell). It’s like saying well I don’t want this old stale mouldy cheese sandwich without much filling that Labour have given me, so I will ask Reform to give me a sandwich made of dog shit that is also on fire. Nobody is saying the mouldy cheese sandwich is brilliant, and the fiery shit sandwich is certainly a change, but not for the better! And it’s not like they are disguising it as a delicious sandwich, it is clearly dog shit.

Are you making this up, or is it actually based on something? Because I struggle to see how it would be possible to effectively manage a shop working 16 hours a week. Or if it is that easy, why all the white Reform voters complaining about lack of opportunities aren't just doing that too.

And this, in a nutshell, is why we have Brexit.

Who’s gonna tell this poster that the economy and borrowing rates are in worse shape now than when Liz Truss was around.

If you struggle to see this then you have led a very sheltered life.

I had previously voted labour my entire life but the new internet safety act is absolutely revolting as well as dangerous. Giving away sensitive information to random companies has always been a terrible idea. It isn't just for "porn" as they claim, but will apply to just about everything. They have been sold this idea by data harvesting companies. You will probably need I'd or a VPN to post here soon. I can't bring myself to vote for them again now they have been stupid enough to put this through. I won't vote Tory either because they are a bunch of smug self congratulatory pricks who treat it like a game of monopoly.

I don't know who I'll pick yet. I haven't seen enough. I will need to decide closer to the time.

You like children being able to access porn then?

I switched to Reform and I’m very excited by the prospect of them finally sorting out the country.

You mean that one who was in the European Parliament and never showed up but had no problem with collecting his wages??!

I read he doesn't even turn up in his constituency.....

You will probably need I'd

I think you mean ID?

Love my ID. Same size as a bank card and I can travel all through Europe on it.

There's always the LibDems...

Please look up data harvesting. Please look up data breaches.

The "oh my god somebody think of the children" speel is being pushed, as usual, by people with huge agendas and stock tied up in their ability to do this.

While the internet exists their will be ways around it as well. The Tories brought in a bill where by internet providers had to supply safe search as standard and you need to contact your provider to allow access. It did not work, clearly, or you would have no further concerns about not being able to effectively parent your own children.

Yes autocorrect does that.

Please familiarise yourself with what handing over your ID and other personal information actually means. Maybe a short course on online security.

Giving you data away to random companies is the epitome of stupid. Falling for the "somebody think of the children" narrative is even stupider.

The whole bill exists because major data harvesting companies can exploit it.