To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

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Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

Ah just like Starmer's cronies + donors are OK now? Prime example: his donors who own gambling organisations and private healthcare companies.
Let's tax education of children immediately but let's not touch gambling yet because that may interfere with our income. We certainly can't tax privatehealthcare because our biggest donor told us not to!
Is that the sort of thing you mean?

It isn’t absolutely ridiculous at all. They are VERY similar. Just look at the dehumanising language they use and ultra nationalist ideology. You just have cognitive dissonance because the very idea that you might be wrong is too much for you to accept. You’re doing exactly what people did back then to justify why they voted for the Nazi’s. Fingers in ears. That’s exactly what they rely on. The same as what people did when they were warned about Brexit - rubbished it and called it project fear.

He's only successful because he's a liar and a manipulator & unfortunately people are told what they want to hear and believe it. I remember all that nonsense about the NHS being so much better off written on buses if Brexit when through when in reality so many medical staff from different countries left and now it's in an even worse state. Brexit has been a disaster. Look at how successful and what an absolute idiot Trump is. America is in a mess. Sociopaths are usually successful for themselves at the detriment of others. I'd rather go for an honest politician who actually cares about people rather than themselves.

Plenty do use tactical voting and did at last GE. Perhaps the same will happen to Labour.

It's all relative.

I'm very underwhelmed by the current Labour government but I'll take the current shitshow over a far right government any day.

Your logic seems to be that any other party is better than Labour, regardless of what they stand for. You're entitled to your view, but I think you will end up regretting your choices if Reform actually get in.

I don’t think we need extremes in politics, it alienates huge swathes of people.

My logic is the same as many who voted tactically at last election. They didn't vote for Labour, they voted against Tories.
It happens all the time in democracies and as I remember rightly there were numerous posts on MN in June 2024 about how to vote tactically to get Tories out. Some posters were breaking the voting options down into constituency to give advice.
Now the tables are turned you aren't so keen? Strange that isn't it?

Huge swathes of people are already alienated. That's why there are extremes. When people feel enfranchised that moderate parties represent and listen to them then extreme parties are ostracised.
It's the sheer number of people who currently feel disenfranchised, politically homeless and not listened to which has paved the way for current situation.

That's not what tactical voting means though. Tactical voting is things like voting for your second favourite party because they have a chance of beating your least favourite, when your most favourite don't (eg, voting Lib Dem because you live in a South East seat where they have a chance of beating the Tories, which the Labour party you actually want to vote for doesn't).

There's nothing tactical about voting for a party that, if you stopped to actually analyse their politics and policies clear sightedly, will actually be worse according to your own criteria than the one you are trying to get rid of.

'A stranger is our own land'

Wasn't that Starmer when he emulated Enoch Powell's island of strangers?

Many did want the Tories out and voted for whomever to do that.

Probably part of why Labour’s support has sunk low in the first year, many didn’t think what Labour’s policies would be in reality.

But it’s not the same, at all!! You’re voting for a populist party who are the most lying, hateful and divisive party there could possibly be because you dislike the current government who you claim ran on populism and are hateful and divisive.

Labour and the tories are traditionally very different from each other, so the comparison can’t be made between your logic and the logic of the voters in the last election. You’re being so ridiculous I’m starting to think you’re on a wind up at this point

It does. If you think Trump is competent to show anyone up it tells me a lot. Starmer was absolutely fine. He doesn’t have charisma, but I don’t require that.

Yes they did, and will do so again. Get the Tories out will be replaced with Get Labour Out. Perhaps there will be tactical voting websites as there was at the last GE.
Some can't seem to comprehend tactical voting against Labour though.

It seems they're all at it. Echoing far right drivel to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Aye. People thought simply not being the Tories would be enough. And Starmer was smart enough to realise that and say nothing of any substance about what he would do differently (it helping of course that he doesn't actually HAVE any ideas of substance 😂).

Ha that made me laugh. Yep

Yes. Because they believed that the end result of that tactical voting - and even the specific person they voted for where it wasn’t their genuine preference - would be better for them than Tories. It’s not tactical if you end up worse off.

Have you seen the unedited press conferences?

I get why people vote tactically and I've done it myself. But usually, when people do that, they are choosing what they regard as the lesser of two evils.

What I find strange is that anyone might regard a party with clear neofascist tendencies as the lesser of two evils. I mean, I get that some people might share those tendencies and vote for a far right party because they are on the far right themselves. I just can't quite wrap my head around how anyone who doesn't share those views would consider a party like that to be a viable alternative.

I’d vote for neither. However, if I’m stood in front of a ballot that literally only has those two options, I’m holding my nose voting for the option that is NOT Reform.

I absolutely comprehend it, having seen it in action when Corbyn lost to Johnson. But as several people have said it’s only tactical if it still elects someone better than those you are trying to oust. To vote for a party that will be worse isn’t tactical voting. It’s insanity.

Yes.
Now what?

Tell me who was kicked out for being anti-semitic.......Labour have always had a serious problem with anti-semitism. Their MPs and councillors are wrapped up in the grooming gangs ie facilitating and ignoring them.

Indeed, and many will make the same mistake of not thinking about what Reform's policies will be in reality.

The difference is that Reform's policies will be infinitely more damaging.