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AIBU?

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To feel like DIL wants the money but not a relationship with us?

475 replies

grannyhasaq · 26/07/2025 14:43

My son and his wife have three children under 10. Over the years, my husband and I have supported them financially in many ways: we gave them a substantial deposit for their house, paid for years of nursery fees, gifted him a larger car when their family grew (as a result they own a car each), helped with holidays, and pay for 2 of the children’s private school, among other things.

We’ve always said we’re happy to support our children. We do it because we want our children to live a comfortable life, not expecting anything in return. But as a family we are close, and have always had a warm relationship. We’ve done the same for one of our daughters, who has two children and stays at home full-time. In her case, we help with monthly expenses so she doesn’t have to return to work. She’s warm, appreciative, involves us in her day-to-day life, and we feel like we’re part of their family.

My DIL, however, is a different story. She also wants to be a stay-at-home mum — but my son prefers that she keeps working part-time. He’s said she struggled quite badly with her mental health when she was home full-time during maternity leave (she’s admitted to this too), and that the structure and balance of part-time work is healthier for both of them. During each of her maternity leaves he said they’d argue far more and came close to divorce on a couple of occasions.

That said, she’s made it clear more than once that she expected us to step in financially so she could stop working, like our daughter has. She’s asked outright. We said no, kindly but firmly, because it’s not in our son’s interests. We’ve supported them in many other ways, but we’ve never agreed to fully fund a lifestyle that our own son isn’t comfortable with.

Since then, the tone with her has changed. She’s polite when we see each other, but cold. I’m never invited over unless my son arranges it (which is fine - we’re his family), but even then occasionally after he’s arranged it I’ll get a message or call giving me exact times when I have to leave. This isn’t at all like my son and I know by his voice this isn’t coming from him and he feels uncomfortable with the tight rules and restrictions on when his parents can visit. If I offer to babysit, she’s “already asked her mum.”, although she’s also mentioned her mum finds babysitting hard and has asked my son to pay for a regular babysitter or nanny during the week so she can have time off. If I drop things off for the kids, she’s stiff and awkward, like I’ve overstepped. She makes passive comments “well, some mums get to be at home”. Her own mum lives further away but is at their house far more often than I am.

There are other things too. My daughter (who is close to my son) told me he actually got into trouble recently for taking the children to see us one Saturday while DIL was out with a friend. She’d apparently told him she wanted him to spend the day “just with the kids,” as if including their grandparents somehow made it less valid.

And one incident still sits badly with me. I had pre-arranged a quick Sunday morning visit, brought pastries which they’ve previously liked, and while she was polite, as I left, I clearly heard her say: “I just don’t want them getting used to seeing her this often.” For context: we live 15 minutes away, and I see the children once a week for a few hours, sometimes less.

It’s honestly got me to the point where I’m thinking about taking the kids and my son to Disney for a long weekend. I’d pay for the trip — hotel, park tickets, travel — and I’d invite her along if she wants to come, but she’d need to cover her own costs. If she thinks she sees too much of me, I don’t want to impose. I was going to position it as “you deserve a break!” but truthfully, I just feel worn down. If I’m not wanted in the day-to-day, maybe I’ll put my energy into the bits where I am welcome.

AIBU to feel like she wants the benefits of having generous in-laws — without actually having to deal with us? I’ve never overstepped, I’ve never criticised her parenting, I’ve done everything “right”… and I still feel like I’m being treated as a bit of a problem.

OP posts:
rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 22:41

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 21:55

It isnt a joke

Sahm days are full and every bit as valid as working mum's days

Especially if youre doing the bulk of the housework and child stuff

You never really get to switch off, making sure everyone is taken care of

Its not just dossing around

You keep saying the same thing repeatedly. Most people don't find it hard, the opposite in fact. Obviously you do. This thread isn't about you though but about @grannyhasaq's family.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 22:42

rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 22:41

You keep saying the same thing repeatedly. Most people don't find it hard, the opposite in fact. Obviously you do. This thread isn't about you though but about @grannyhasaq's family.

Sorry, most people dont find parenting hard?

Okay

Yes, ive already explained my point on the op's dil and wish the dil well with the husband she has chosen

rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 22:44

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 22:42

Sorry, most people dont find parenting hard?

Okay

Yes, ive already explained my point on the op's dil and wish the dil well with the husband she has chosen

You seem to be arguing with yourself @youreactinglikeafunmum
Best to stick to the topic of the OP and not just keep repeating yourself about how hard your life is.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 22:49

rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 22:44

You seem to be arguing with yourself @youreactinglikeafunmum
Best to stick to the topic of the OP and not just keep repeating yourself about how hard your life is.

My life is alright 😭 - mum life isnt easy but its joyful - even though i'm already tired and the 6 weeks have just begun

The op has been answered by me, and now i'm responding to you, someone with an attitude for no reason 🙄🙄

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 26/07/2025 22:52

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 22:49

My life is alright 😭 - mum life isnt easy but its joyful - even though i'm already tired and the 6 weeks have just begun

The op has been answered by me, and now i'm responding to you, someone with an attitude for no reason 🙄🙄

Perhaps she’s tired. And struggling a little. Be gentle. I always assume this level of defensiveness is more about them than anything anyone else has written x

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 23:21

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 26/07/2025 22:52

Perhaps she’s tired. And struggling a little. Be gentle. I always assume this level of defensiveness is more about them than anything anyone else has written x

Agree xx

Scentedjasmin · 27/07/2025 02:00

LovingLimePeer · 26/07/2025 18:39

But are we really saying that all SAHMs are so completely disorganised with routine household tasks that it takes them 37.5 hours to complete routine cleaning/admin tasks, rather than the 6-8 hours it takes me for the same jobs as a working parent?

It's obviously different when children are preschoolers and at home instead of nursery but it is absolutely NOT a full time job when children are at school and the women who pretend it is a full time job must be spending their time repeatedly cleaning out the inside of their drawers/hoovering their radiators and other bulls**t tasks. All the same housework needs doing regardless of whether someone is a SAHM for schoolchildren or works when those children are at school.

Since when are children at school for 37.5 hours per week? I drop my kids off at 8:50pm, get back for 9:15 and leave at 3:00pm to pick them up. That's 5.45 hours a day, although clock watching is involved too as I obviously can't be late or in the middle of something right up until I leave. After walking the dog, then it's cleaning, washing, gardening and cooking from scratch, along with all the admin that running a house and kids lives entail. Also, running my elderly parents to hospital appointments. Then of course I do all the running around in the evenings. A life of leisure I do not lead, nor am I disorganised.

MikeRafone · 27/07/2025 07:33

Thatsalineallright · 26/07/2025 18:24

I'm assuming she means she doesn't want anything beyond the basic smile and a thank you. Being polite, treating her like family, encouraging a good relationship with the grandkids - these are all things the DIL should be doing with our without any money on the table. Sure, DIL's side of the story might be very different, but just from the OP it sounds like the DIL is the one being unreasonable.

the op states that the daughter involves her in day to day life and mentions the daughter in law having her mother over more often even though she lives further away - so id suggest your assumption of a thank you and a smile is incorrect, based on what the op has written

Thatsalineallright · 27/07/2025 07:48

MikeRafone · 27/07/2025 07:33

the op states that the daughter involves her in day to day life and mentions the daughter in law having her mother over more often even though she lives further away - so id suggest your assumption of a thank you and a smile is incorrect, based on what the op has written

She says her DIL is "cold", "stiff" and"awkward" and "makes passive comments 'well, some mums get to be at home'".

If I had given someone a lot of money and they still directly asked me for more (also in the OP), I would be annoyed. If they then made nasty digs when they saw me I would be raging.

Honestly, I think the OP should stop giving that couple any money. If they do cut contact with the grandchildren as a result she'll at least know where she stands.

LovingLimePeer · 27/07/2025 08:35

Scentedjasmin · 27/07/2025 02:00

Since when are children at school for 37.5 hours per week? I drop my kids off at 8:50pm, get back for 9:15 and leave at 3:00pm to pick them up. That's 5.45 hours a day, although clock watching is involved too as I obviously can't be late or in the middle of something right up until I leave. After walking the dog, then it's cleaning, washing, gardening and cooking from scratch, along with all the admin that running a house and kids lives entail. Also, running my elderly parents to hospital appointments. Then of course I do all the running around in the evenings. A life of leisure I do not lead, nor am I disorganised.

The claim by another poster was that being a sah parent is a full time job.

A full time job is widely considered to be 37.5 hours per week.

My family do our cleaning/admin/washing etc jobs in 6-8 hours including cooking from scratch while working full time equivalent. It would not take me 37.5 hours to do the jobs on your list and if it did, it would mean working an extra 5 hours per day including weekends. I would think of jobs helping elderly parents as a separate category to the 37.5 hours.

Nobody thinks sah parents are lazy or disorganised. My issue is with the description of sah parenting as a full time job (i.e. 37.5 hours) when looking after schoolchildren (younger children is different). If it was a full time job (37.5 hours), it would be impossible for any working family to do the same tasks, but we do - and we do them in much less time than 37.5 hours.

Truetoself · 27/07/2025 08:54

@Masmavi you think a SAHP is still a full time role even though the kids are at school? I think it’s OK if ALL the housework/ admin/ running around etc is done by the SAHP but I bet in this DIL’s case, it is not.
She would have known this after having one child, so I am unsure why she went on to have two more

Thatsalineallright · 27/07/2025 09:14

LovingLimePeer · 27/07/2025 08:35

The claim by another poster was that being a sah parent is a full time job.

A full time job is widely considered to be 37.5 hours per week.

My family do our cleaning/admin/washing etc jobs in 6-8 hours including cooking from scratch while working full time equivalent. It would not take me 37.5 hours to do the jobs on your list and if it did, it would mean working an extra 5 hours per day including weekends. I would think of jobs helping elderly parents as a separate category to the 37.5 hours.

Nobody thinks sah parents are lazy or disorganised. My issue is with the description of sah parenting as a full time job (i.e. 37.5 hours) when looking after schoolchildren (younger children is different). If it was a full time job (37.5 hours), it would be impossible for any working family to do the same tasks, but we do - and we do them in much less time than 37.5 hours.

Why do you think the job of housekeeper exists? Along with gardener, cleaner, dog-walker etc. it's because these are actual jobs.

Then there's wrap-around care for kids whose parents can't pick them up straight before or after school. And holiday camps. And babysitters. And asking grandparents to look after the kids for a couple of hours.

People pay a lot of money for other people to do all these tasks. If instead a sahm does them though, then suddenly they're not 'real jobs'.

thepariscrimefiles · 27/07/2025 09:24

Praying4Peace · 26/07/2025 21:00

Yes and the DILs mental health was severely affected by not working.

It sounds as though that was when she was on maternity leave so it could have been post-partum depression or anxiety.

To be honest, having a MIL like OP, however rich and generous she is towards her own children, would make a lot of people anxious. She is using her wealth as a form of control over her adult children who seem happy to accept this. I wonder whether, if OP's daughter's DH had said that he didn't want his wife to be a SAHM, OP would have refused to fund it. I very much doubt it.

As I have said earlier, the whole family, including OP's DIL, sounds entitled, money-oriented and materialistic. All the family dynamics and relationships sound pretty transactional and toxic.

Floatingdownriver · 27/07/2025 09:30

Discussion if her wanting to be a SAHM is a red herring. You’re contributing to her husband getting to dictate to her how they live. This doesn’t sound like a partnership at all. And you weighing in is creating further issues.

What do you do to support her? Especially when she has poor mental health. Has anyone offered support? Shown up for her?

Swiftie1878 · 27/07/2025 09:50

grannyhasaq · 26/07/2025 14:56

@JealousyIsADiseasesorry if that’s how the post came across but I didn’t share anything that my son said in private, I only said that I would do it if there’s agreement between the two, but it’s not a secret (to her, to us, or to anyone) that my son would oppose her being a SAHM. There’s no evidence of offloading (and anything he says in private stays private) - it was a discussion, or multiple, where she’d push for us to pay the equivalent of her wages if she became a SAHM and my son openly saying that’s not a good idea.

Your relationship with them as a couple sounds very unhealthy. I’m fearful for their marriage tbh.
In her shoes, I wouldn’t want your money or your company.

BIossomtoes · 27/07/2025 09:56

Swiftie1878 · 27/07/2025 09:50

Your relationship with them as a couple sounds very unhealthy. I’m fearful for their marriage tbh.
In her shoes, I wouldn’t want your money or your company.

But she loves OP’s money, she wants more of it.

Swiftie1878 · 27/07/2025 10:00

BIossomtoes · 27/07/2025 09:56

But she loves OP’s money, she wants more of it.

Yes, I know. I’m not saying she’s completely in the right, just that the relationship is messed up/toxic/unhealthy, and I wouldn’t want any part of it.

LovingLimePeer · 27/07/2025 10:10

Thatsalineallright · 27/07/2025 09:14

Why do you think the job of housekeeper exists? Along with gardener, cleaner, dog-walker etc. it's because these are actual jobs.

Then there's wrap-around care for kids whose parents can't pick them up straight before or after school. And holiday camps. And babysitters. And asking grandparents to look after the kids for a couple of hours.

People pay a lot of money for other people to do all these tasks. If instead a sahm does them though, then suddenly they're not 'real jobs'.

Except that I have never said they are not real jobs. Only that that it doesn't equate to 37.5 of weekday housework/admin/cleaning for a house with schoolchildren who can easily entertain themselves for an hour or 2 when they get home from school.

If you disagree and want to tell me that I work 2 full time jobs, i.e. my professional job as well as an extra 'full time' job as a housekeeper, then I'll take that. I do the equivalent work at evenings and at weekends.

lauram31 · 27/07/2025 11:34

One sided post … this all your interpretation of what’s actually going on let’s be honest .

your son should be ashamed of himself discussing his marriage the way he is with you , he’s broken their privacy and trust as a couple .

money can’t buy people unfortunately and this is what your sole point seems to be in the post ! why Disneyland ? “ happiest place on earth “ ? Grandma points ? Mum points ?

my MIL AND FIL have been awful to me and my children over the years , I got to a point at Xmas where the last thing they said really upset me and I thought nope don’t need this in my life anymore ! I’ve not been to their house since and make myself scarce when she comes here which has been twice In that time ( they don’t make much effort with my children, both have SEN so don’t fit in to their perfect world of “ we don’t have children like that in our family “ and because honestly I don’t need to give my time up for toxic people like that , maybe your DIL feels this way as your post focuses on all of her downfalls , have you nothing nice to say about her at all because if so I really can’t blame her for the way she is and maybe she’s got to the point I have ! stop looking at her as the enemy stop being jealous she’s “ taken your son from you “ as this comes across loud and clear ! Honestly I think there’s blurred lines here and I think you son is probably a lazy parent hence bringing them to you when he can because he knows he can sit down and not take reasonably !

also if your son works full time and she works part time it would be hard pushed to say they’re 50/50 on everything , in fact you’d be hard pushed in general to say that about that kind of setup ! sounds like you created the atmosphere and now acting the victim to the consequences of it .

stop treating her like she’s not good enough and make some effort and you never know maybe she’s actually a nice person and not the awful mother and wife you’ve painted her to be

ccridersuz · 27/07/2025 11:42

God I would hate for my MIL to have such influence and to use money gifted as justification for interference.
I can only imagine how money rules this woman and her DC.
Nice that she enables her DD to be a SAHM, but it sounds like there are more DC that she does nothing for.
I’m thinking DIL has a daily battle with a man baby and a Disney trip, will lead to divorce.

Plumnora · 27/07/2025 11:42

Difficult to unpack. TBH both of you sound like hard work. The whole Disney idea just sounds cruel.
But at the same time she comes across as entitled due the resentment about not being a SAHM. Most of us would love to give up work and look after the kids full time but sadly it's not even an option.
When I was married I used to get angry when my ex husband took out daughter to his mums while he took off and went to the pub just as he did every night of the week after work so I get why she might be annoyed.
You clearly don't like her and she doesn't appear to like you but whether it's justified is difficult to ascertain.

Elmaas · 27/07/2025 11:45

OP, I think you need to step back.
Your DIL is entitled and I think you need to stop giving them money.
I would set up trust funds for their children at 25 instead.

Her expecting you to fund her is extraordinary.
She is not your daughter.
Of course your arrangements with your daughter can be separate.

Stop dropping into their house.
Put it upon your son to bring the children to visit you.

I suspect that the relationship may not last and it is best if you keep far out of their finances if it doesn't.

At this point the trip idea is a bad one, don't do it.
Step back and see how things go.
Close your purse.

Grapewrath · 27/07/2025 11:51

It sounds like you weaponise your wealth. You pay for DD to be a sahm but not DIL because your son doesn’t want it. Presumably, if your son agreed you would do the same for DIL, but you are using your money as a tool to align with your son in a contentious issue within their marriage. It sounds incredibly toxic.
Wanting to pay for your son and kids to have a holiday and leave DIL out exemplifies how you use your financial privilege for power and control.
You have paid for your son to have a car and house and say you don’t expect anything in return, yet you clearly expect this to supersede any issues within your relationship.
Your DIL doesn’t have to like you, it’s very possible that she wants to protect her child from the toxic patterns and power plays within your family.
My advice is to let their family function as they see fit, keep your money and see if your son decides to facilitate contact.

Kittyloulou · 27/07/2025 12:02

Your first mistake was continuing to provide for your children when they should learn to stand on their own two feet. What lesson does this teach their own children? No wonder everyone is lazy and doesn’t want to work when they’ve got the Babyboomer parents to fund their lifestyle 🙄

Jammydodger2 · 27/07/2025 12:10

This is a complex situation. Ultimately you sound like you want to have a close relationship with your son and grandchildren- this means you need to salvage your relationship with your DIL. How was your relationship with her prior to this falling out?

Please do not do the Disneyland idea. I think you need to have a conversation, just you and DIL, and explain that you feel she has distanced herself and the children from you and ask to discuss what has caused it with a view to rebuilding a relationship. If she says it’s because you won’t fund her to be a SAHM the. I would explain again - as kindly as possible- that you don’t feel you can go against your son’s wishes (although I’m curious if you would find her if your son was in favour of it?). Try not to point out everything else you pay for for them (although I would find it hard not to!). Your DIL maybe just wants to feel heard and sometimes a chat can just clear the air.

I would seriously consider, in future, not paying for things that are funding their lifestyle. That should be their own responsibility. Stick to private schooling for the kids and maybe set up a trust fund for them. If they can afford the lifestyle you’ve described they can surely pay their own childcare and cars.

my parents are wealthy and are at the point that they’re trying to “offload cash”. I’m not comfortable with taking their money, although we’ve been fortunate that we’ve been able to borrow money from them in the past to help with business projects and homes, without interest, but we’ve always repaid it as soon as we were able. My husband would freak out if we were taking handouts. I know one of my brothers in particular has benefitted more from my parents and my SIL seems delighted to take the handouts and be a SAHM - unlike myself and my other SIL who both work. Paying for private schooling might be different (I actually heard my dad offer this to my brother recently for when his kids start school - not sure why I was never offered it for my own kids who are all already at school!). But it’s so hard to keep everything equal and not create resentment between siblings and in-laws. Personally I think it’s better to let your kids handle their own finances and their own families and if you want to put money away for grandkids or pay for private school then do the same for them all.

I wonder if your daughter is a single parent? If so then can understand you wanting to pay for her as that is a very tough situation. But if not then really can’t understand you funding her. Each to their own, but it has created this mess with your DIL!