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To feel like DIL wants the money but not a relationship with us?

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grannyhasaq · 26/07/2025 14:43

My son and his wife have three children under 10. Over the years, my husband and I have supported them financially in many ways: we gave them a substantial deposit for their house, paid for years of nursery fees, gifted him a larger car when their family grew (as a result they own a car each), helped with holidays, and pay for 2 of the children’s private school, among other things.

We’ve always said we’re happy to support our children. We do it because we want our children to live a comfortable life, not expecting anything in return. But as a family we are close, and have always had a warm relationship. We’ve done the same for one of our daughters, who has two children and stays at home full-time. In her case, we help with monthly expenses so she doesn’t have to return to work. She’s warm, appreciative, involves us in her day-to-day life, and we feel like we’re part of their family.

My DIL, however, is a different story. She also wants to be a stay-at-home mum — but my son prefers that she keeps working part-time. He’s said she struggled quite badly with her mental health when she was home full-time during maternity leave (she’s admitted to this too), and that the structure and balance of part-time work is healthier for both of them. During each of her maternity leaves he said they’d argue far more and came close to divorce on a couple of occasions.

That said, she’s made it clear more than once that she expected us to step in financially so she could stop working, like our daughter has. She’s asked outright. We said no, kindly but firmly, because it’s not in our son’s interests. We’ve supported them in many other ways, but we’ve never agreed to fully fund a lifestyle that our own son isn’t comfortable with.

Since then, the tone with her has changed. She’s polite when we see each other, but cold. I’m never invited over unless my son arranges it (which is fine - we’re his family), but even then occasionally after he’s arranged it I’ll get a message or call giving me exact times when I have to leave. This isn’t at all like my son and I know by his voice this isn’t coming from him and he feels uncomfortable with the tight rules and restrictions on when his parents can visit. If I offer to babysit, she’s “already asked her mum.”, although she’s also mentioned her mum finds babysitting hard and has asked my son to pay for a regular babysitter or nanny during the week so she can have time off. If I drop things off for the kids, she’s stiff and awkward, like I’ve overstepped. She makes passive comments “well, some mums get to be at home”. Her own mum lives further away but is at their house far more often than I am.

There are other things too. My daughter (who is close to my son) told me he actually got into trouble recently for taking the children to see us one Saturday while DIL was out with a friend. She’d apparently told him she wanted him to spend the day “just with the kids,” as if including their grandparents somehow made it less valid.

And one incident still sits badly with me. I had pre-arranged a quick Sunday morning visit, brought pastries which they’ve previously liked, and while she was polite, as I left, I clearly heard her say: “I just don’t want them getting used to seeing her this often.” For context: we live 15 minutes away, and I see the children once a week for a few hours, sometimes less.

It’s honestly got me to the point where I’m thinking about taking the kids and my son to Disney for a long weekend. I’d pay for the trip — hotel, park tickets, travel — and I’d invite her along if she wants to come, but she’d need to cover her own costs. If she thinks she sees too much of me, I don’t want to impose. I was going to position it as “you deserve a break!” but truthfully, I just feel worn down. If I’m not wanted in the day-to-day, maybe I’ll put my energy into the bits where I am welcome.

AIBU to feel like she wants the benefits of having generous in-laws — without actually having to deal with us? I’ve never overstepped, I’ve never criticised her parenting, I’ve done everything “right”… and I still feel like I’m being treated as a bit of a problem.

OP posts:
Iris2020 · 26/07/2025 20:43

MrsSunshine2b · 26/07/2025 19:14

I don't know if the amount she gives to both is equal, maybe it is, but the fact is that she's been open about the fact she thinks DD should be able to choose to be a SAHM, but DIL shouldn't be allowed to be a SAHM. This argument should be entirely between her son and DIL and she shouldn't even have an opinion.

Personally I've never wanted to be a SAHM but if I had 3 kids and we had enough money for me to comfortably be able to give up work, but my husband had the nerve to forbid me from doing so for the good of my mental health, he'd get very short shrift- and if my MIL got involved then my relationship with her would be dead in the water.

Well clearly her dd's husband is ok with her being a SAHM. It's not a decision for the woman to take alone. And he's probably OK with it because she doesn't make his life a misery in the process.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 26/07/2025 20:45

How much housework does your son do? Perhaps he doesn’t pull his weight which is why she feels she needs to jack in work to be able to get it all done. How much childcare?

I’m always a bit judgmental of men who go running to their mummies when they have their own kids. And men who go running to their mummies to slag off their wives, come to think of it.

Have you raised a bit of a man baby?

nearlylovemyusername · 26/07/2025 20:47

RoseAlone · 26/07/2025 20:09

Honestly? I feel sorry for her. It sounds as though her life is planned out authorised or not, by your son and you. She's in a horrible position and I bet you've overstepped and passively aggressively criticised her plenty of times. Your terms and conditions of your financial support are clearly communicated whether you think so or not and if she doesn't toe the line then your wrath is felt by that support being withdrawn or not offered in the first place.

If I was her, I'd take the children and leave. What an awful, toxic situation you've created. You use your money as a weapon which is mean and nasty.

If I was her, I'd take the children and leave. What an awful, toxic situation you've created. You use your money as a weapon which is mean and nasty.

a) she can't just take children. She'd need to go through expensive lawyers and possibly court and it's not given she'd get most of custody.

b) she won't leave until she ensured OP and her DS would fund her extravagant lifestyle. And I'm nearly certain that one of DS's considerations is to ensure that she has earning capacity in case of divorce.

@grannyhasaq have you protected inheritance from this lazy scrooge?

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 26/07/2025 20:49

Sorry but those implying she feels like less because the OP won't fund her being a SAHP are being utterly ridiculous. If they were to fund them as they have their daughter then it would be the son that got to stay home not the DIL.

As it stands I think she benefits very nicely at the moment, perhaps withdraw some funding to help her see what an ungrateful twat she actually is.
What exactly do her parents fund?

Praying4Peace · 26/07/2025 21:00

Iris2020 · 26/07/2025 20:43

Well clearly her dd's husband is ok with her being a SAHM. It's not a decision for the woman to take alone. And he's probably OK with it because she doesn't make his life a misery in the process.

Yes and the DILs mental health was severely affected by not working.

dogcatkitten · 26/07/2025 21:03

She doesn't need your or her DH's permission to stop working. If she wants to stay home she can, particularly if the only reason she can't is because her DH thinks it would be bad for her mental health. If they then struggle a bit financially that is their problem, it sounds like you already cover a lot of their expenses.

It was a bit much for her to expect you to pay her to stay home, would it be a daily rate? She obviously thinks you are made of money, but perhaps you are and perhaps it would be better for your GCs if she stayed home, I do think your DS is overstepping telling you not to give her money 'she's better off working' the usual hubby knows best. She does have a point that if it's good for some of your GCs for their mother to stay home it would be good for the others and you are (perfectly reasonably) favouring your own daughter. No one is coming out smelling of roses.

Thatsalineallright · 26/07/2025 21:05

nearlylovemyusername · 26/07/2025 20:41

I did this all with my DC and worked at least 50 hours a week for decades.

Potentially you didn't do it as well or as thoroughly though. Work and childcare is a lot to juggle. Many millions of women do it, but that doesn't make it ideal.

A SAHM can put more time into cooking nutritious meals, planning fun or educational activities, spending time with kids when they're home from school instead of having to rush off to do laundry or whatever. The kids don't have to go to wrap-around care and so are potentially more relaxed and less overstimulated etc. etc.

Some people pay a nanny to look after the children even when they're school age. That shows that it is a job.

Each individual family has to figure out what works best for them and there's certainly no one-size-fits all, but dismissing the work that SAHMs do is unfair.

Edited to add: I'm not a sahm.

Funnywonder · 26/07/2025 21:12

You haven’t responded, OP, to anyone who disapproves of your Disney idea. On the surface, it sounds like your DIL is very unpleasant, but maybe she’s not the only one. The fact that you would consider going out of your way to organise a holiday and pay for everyone except her - just to make a point - really doesn’t show you in a very good light. You might plot petty vengeance in your head as a sort of daydream, but to admit it out loud with a view to possibly carrying it out is just so vindictive. She asked for something unreasonable. You very rightly said no and that’s fine. She sounds like an absolute piece of work for being sulky about it, but honestly you should rise above it as best you can. Please don’t do the Disney thing. It’s a horrible playground bully sort of spite that doesn’t belong in the adult world.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 26/07/2025 21:13

Praying4Peace · 26/07/2025 21:00

Yes and the DILs mental health was severely affected by not working.

She had mental health issues while on maternity leave.

That doesn’t mean it was caused by not working.

Her husband has just decided that.

It’s possible she had PPD. It’s possible she was expected to do all the childcare and housework alone, without support and she became overwhelmed trying to juggle it all with a tiny baby. It’s possible that she’s still expected to do all the childcare and housework alone while working part-time and she is feeling even more overwhelmed.

We don’t know. We haven’t heard her side. We only know what her MIL and husband have decided for her.

nearlylovemyusername · 26/07/2025 21:19

Thatsalineallright · 26/07/2025 21:05

Potentially you didn't do it as well or as thoroughly though. Work and childcare is a lot to juggle. Many millions of women do it, but that doesn't make it ideal.

A SAHM can put more time into cooking nutritious meals, planning fun or educational activities, spending time with kids when they're home from school instead of having to rush off to do laundry or whatever. The kids don't have to go to wrap-around care and so are potentially more relaxed and less overstimulated etc. etc.

Some people pay a nanny to look after the children even when they're school age. That shows that it is a job.

Each individual family has to figure out what works best for them and there's certainly no one-size-fits all, but dismissing the work that SAHMs do is unfair.

Edited to add: I'm not a sahm.

Edited

I did cook all meals, my DC never left home without hot home cooked breakfast and we never had takeaways. And I did their homework and reading with them every day (until certain age obv). All on the top of senior full time job. It just hard, but doesn't make SAHM necessary.

I also paid (out of my salary) private school for them. About 50% of kids in their respective year groups had SAHMs and 50% of mums worked, all in senior professional roles. Interestingly, and obv anecdotally, but kids with SAHMs did less well academically. Last three years of that school (primary) kids were split into sets, my ones ended up in top set and there were only full time working mums. It's anecdata of course, but I was really surprised to see this, I expected exact opposite.

Masmavi · 26/07/2025 21:21

Your family is enmeshed. It’s not normal or healthy to this much about your son’s relationship. And no wonder she doesn’t warm to you - your son discusses with you the fact that he wants to make his wife work despite the fact that she wants to be a SAHM and you agree to not give their family the same amount of money so that he can enforce that in his marriage. You are the third person in her marriage.
I would start to think about why are you so involved in your adult children’s family lives and whether that involvement helps or hinders your son’s relationship. Your children are grown up, they should be sorting out their own finances and discuss and resolve any issues with their partners, not looking for validation from their mother. Your views have no place here. YABU

nearlylovemyusername · 26/07/2025 21:22

It’s possible she was expected to do all the childcare and housework alone, without support and she became overwhelmed trying to juggle it all with a tiny baby. It’s possible that she’s still expected to do all the childcare and housework alone while working part-time and she is feeling even more overwhelmed.

FGS! Read OP's posts - DIL has a housekeeper! not just cleaner or gardener or whatever - housekeeper! she's not doing all housework alone. It's likely that she's not doing any housework at all.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 21:38

saraclara · 26/07/2025 20:18

It's this satire? Because surely it can't be real.

Its true 🥰

Its not easy being a sahm

And I did say that the woman should terminate the employment of the housekeeper but being a sahm to three kids is hard, nothing wrong with a little help

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 21:39

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 26/07/2025 21:13

She had mental health issues while on maternity leave.

That doesn’t mean it was caused by not working.

Her husband has just decided that.

It’s possible she had PPD. It’s possible she was expected to do all the childcare and housework alone, without support and she became overwhelmed trying to juggle it all with a tiny baby. It’s possible that she’s still expected to do all the childcare and housework alone while working part-time and she is feeling even more overwhelmed.

We don’t know. We haven’t heard her side. We only know what her MIL and husband have decided for her.

Will Smith Reaction GIF

😭😭 as if there wouldn't be a bigger reason for her suffering with her mh during her maternity leave

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 21:40

nearlylovemyusername · 26/07/2025 20:41

I did this all with my DC and worked at least 50 hours a week for decades.

Sorry xx

JHound · 26/07/2025 21:43

dogcatkitten · 26/07/2025 21:03

She doesn't need your or her DH's permission to stop working. If she wants to stay home she can, particularly if the only reason she can't is because her DH thinks it would be bad for her mental health. If they then struggle a bit financially that is their problem, it sounds like you already cover a lot of their expenses.

It was a bit much for her to expect you to pay her to stay home, would it be a daily rate? She obviously thinks you are made of money, but perhaps you are and perhaps it would be better for your GCs if she stayed home, I do think your DS is overstepping telling you not to give her money 'she's better off working' the usual hubby knows best. She does have a point that if it's good for some of your GCs for their mother to stay home it would be good for the others and you are (perfectly reasonably) favouring your own daughter. No one is coming out smelling of roses.

Deciding whether one parent should stay home should be a joint decision (and something to discuss before marrying.)

TankFlyBossW4lk · 26/07/2025 21:45

You had my sympathy until the Disneyland idea. I think this actually says a lot about the situation. You resent having to pay for her and you don't directly. This is fine, but she probably picks up on the resentment. I'm guessing you value the SAHM position, otherwise you wouldn't facilitate your daughter to be one. I wonder if this adds fuel to the fire.

Honestly, you don't like her now and it's difficult to get back from where you are. I would try and speak with her, maybe try and get to know her , perhaps try and do things together. Although it sounds too late for this. Perhaps she's always at the gym or with friends when you're around because she's avoiding you.

I know you'll love your own child more, but this is the woman your child has chosen to be his wife. She's the mother of your grandchildren. Perhaps you could try and concentrate on some of the positives that she brings to your family.

rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 21:45

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 19:45

My dd is in school for under 30 hours

Its a full time job, whether theyre at school or at home. During the day is when the errands get done and the house is tidied, meals prepped, laundry put in the machine, out of the machine, ironed and put away, food shop done, returns to the post office, emergency kids clothes shopping, the list is endless

And thats all before they come out at 3pm and you've to do the drive home, homework, snack, then cook dinner for them, you and your dp, bathtime, actually play with your kids, read to them and then try to get them to sleep

Then talk to your dp about their day, provide emotional support, ensure theyre fed and happy before you can think about going to bed

And then its full on during the weekends as well

Being a sahm is a full time job. And the luckiest ones have housekeepers, be in awe instead of jealous, imo

This has got to be a joke. If you are doing emergency kids clothes shopping every day. you definitely need to get better organised, as I said in my previous post. Most parents manage to do these things and work, many full time. Clearly, the DIL here thinks that being a SAHM with DC in school is easier than working part time because it clearly is.

JHound · 26/07/2025 21:45

DoraSpenlow · 26/07/2025 19:20

If anyone has a gripe it should surely be the OPs son who isn't being paid to stop at home like his sister.

I'm sure the reaction would be totally different if it was the son-in-law asking to be paid to not work while the daughter worked.

Edited

He would be called a lazy layabout.

JHound · 26/07/2025 21:48

dottiedodah · 26/07/2025 19:59

TBH I feel that you are being generous but there are strings attached. I don't really think funding your DD choice to stay home is very fair.your DIL sees her SIL having the life she wants. When you marry the DIL or SIl becomes part of your family. You are making a clear division between your DC lives . I also would be careful how much you are spending. My cousin who is very wealthy. Husband has had to go to full time care .costs 50k per year!don't leave your selves short.the Disney trip is crazy.pleas don't do this. Maybe say to DD it would be good for her to return PT.if they divorce for any reason she is going to be in dodgy position. Your DIL is going to be come resentful if you aren't careful .she is your grandchildren mother!

I am sorry but no - marriage does not make a daughter in law a daughter.
The DIL has parents. She can ask them to fund her staying home if her husband won’t.

rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 21:49

JHound · 26/07/2025 21:45

He would be called a lazy layabout.

That's true. Some women seem to think that all mothers can do no wrong.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 26/07/2025 21:55

rainingsnoring · 26/07/2025 21:45

This has got to be a joke. If you are doing emergency kids clothes shopping every day. you definitely need to get better organised, as I said in my previous post. Most parents manage to do these things and work, many full time. Clearly, the DIL here thinks that being a SAHM with DC in school is easier than working part time because it clearly is.

It isnt a joke

Sahm days are full and every bit as valid as working mum's days

Especially if youre doing the bulk of the housework and child stuff

You never really get to switch off, making sure everyone is taken care of

Its not just dossing around

Thatsalineallright · 26/07/2025 21:58

nearlylovemyusername · 26/07/2025 21:19

I did cook all meals, my DC never left home without hot home cooked breakfast and we never had takeaways. And I did their homework and reading with them every day (until certain age obv). All on the top of senior full time job. It just hard, but doesn't make SAHM necessary.

I also paid (out of my salary) private school for them. About 50% of kids in their respective year groups had SAHMs and 50% of mums worked, all in senior professional roles. Interestingly, and obv anecdotally, but kids with SAHMs did less well academically. Last three years of that school (primary) kids were split into sets, my ones ended up in top set and there were only full time working mums. It's anecdata of course, but I was really surprised to see this, I expected exact opposite.

If you feel that your set up was ideal, then that's great.

As a parent who works, I know I'm often tired and not always giving my best to my children. They're very bright and doing well academically, but I don't use that as a measure of my success as a mother.

Modern life is stressful. I certainly find juggling everything stressful. If I had more time to slow down and stop rushing, I think my kids would benefit from the more relaxed pace and calmer environment.

For many people, being a working mum is the right choice. For others, being a sahm mum is the right choice. I don't understand why you're seemingly insisting that if you managed to do something, everyone else should do it, too.

Bigcat25 · 26/07/2025 22:11

Catswhiskers3 · 26/07/2025 15:54

You sound very involved and controlling
Your Dil is trying to keep you at arms length
With good reason

If she's keeping op at arm's length, she shouldn't be asking to be subsidized for life.

Masmavi · 26/07/2025 22:21

SchoolDilemma17 · 26/07/2025 19:55

And most of us do all this and have a FT job 😝

Very bored with this line. Just because most women have to or choose to work full-time and parent it doesn’t mean that being a SAHM is not a full-time job. We’ve all been fed this idea that domestic and parenting tasks are not valuable and don’t take any time at all and therefore can and should be squeezed in at night, at weekends, around the much more ‘important’ paid work done outside the house. Parents running like hamsters on a wheel think SAHPs are twiddling their thumbs when they’re actually often doing exactly the right amount of work
one person should do. Those of us who work full time and also cram everything else in are not normal but society has tricked us into thinking we are.