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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 21/07/2025 22:26

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:38

Well to be fair the OP didn’t say her mother wanted a rest. Or that she was exhausted, knackered or worked to the bone or other hyperbole that previous posters have independently inserted into the narrative. She simply said that she and her husband thought the mother might like a break for the weekend and when pressed said that her mother had helped out around the house because she chose and wanted to. The idea of the mother in indentured servitude and at risk of keeling over comes from the other posters enjoying throwing poo at the OP.

No it comes from the OP mentioning respite and FIL doing the heavy lifting

Spinmerightroundbaby · 21/07/2025 22:49

I say this and mean it kindly but can you please, in future, write a shorter post? There was so much drip-feeding I’m not sure if I’ve followed the thread. As far as I understand it you both have parents who help but for various reasons, capacity is limited. As other people have said, not sure why you need all of this long term help and not sure why you feel so entitled? Why should he cancel or shorten a social event he’s looking forward to for a non-emergency? It’s not like you’ve said you suddenly gave birth and he refused to cancel his plans to help out.

I think you need to learn to be a bit more self sufficient and to emotionally regulate. You seem overwrought over something which isn’t worth getting upset over.

Miaminmoo · 21/07/2025 23:11

Sorry but if you keep deciding to have more children you need to figure it out. It’s not a grandparents job to do childcare on demand - especially if they have other plans. They’ve done their child-rearing and don’t have to do it all again.

outerspacepotato · 21/07/2025 23:33

"we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. "

Partner is at work. OP does all the childcare. The mom was doing all the housework to the point OP and her partner felt she needed a rest and respite.

Why was partner not doing housework and childcare while he was off to keep the mom rested enough to supervise kids in case OP went into labour? That was the supposed purpose of her being there.

eastegg · 22/07/2025 12:52

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:59

It says they didn't have childcare in place for the birth of their 3rd child! That's entirely different from regular 'date night' childcare. Jesus wept.

Yes I agree. And they’re so knee deep in childcare that DH missed the birth of their second! OP doesn’t deserve the flaming she’s getting here.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/07/2025 13:17

eastegg · 22/07/2025 12:52

Yes I agree. And they’re so knee deep in childcare that DH missed the birth of their second! OP doesn’t deserve the flaming she’s getting here.

They were so "knee deep in childcare" after ONE child that they are now on number three? Pull the other one...

GasPanic · 22/07/2025 13:20

Figuring out how to look after your kids is your responsibility, not the responsibility of your parents who have already done their shift bringing you up.

Always nice if grandparents can help out. Not mandatory though. It can be a shock sometimes to find out old people actually have lives and something they want to do other than babysit.

Digdongdoo · 22/07/2025 14:38

eastegg · 22/07/2025 12:52

Yes I agree. And they’re so knee deep in childcare that DH missed the birth of their second! OP doesn’t deserve the flaming she’s getting here.

No. He missed it because the labour was short. Which could easily have happened again if OPs mum had so much as popped to the shops or her DH had got stuck in traffic, if it was another quick labour. It's not something that can always be mitigated. Demanding extended family be present 24/7 just in case isn't realistic or reasonable.
Luckily for OP 3rd babies are often wildcards so it didn't happen again.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 22/07/2025 14:41

eastegg · 22/07/2025 12:52

Yes I agree. And they’re so knee deep in childcare that DH missed the birth of their second! OP doesn’t deserve the flaming she’s getting here.

Knee deep in childcare with one child to care for? Come on 🙄

eastegg · 22/07/2025 16:04

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 22/07/2025 14:41

Knee deep in childcare with one child to care for? Come on 🙄

My sarcasm missed the mark! OP was being criticised for tapping her family for childcare. I meant she’s not tapping them that much if DH missed the birth of their second child.

thelakeisle · 22/07/2025 22:43

Again, just look after your own kids, always assume you will be doing that, ask relatives nicely if you like and expect nothing at all. Just crack on, that's what nearly everyone else does.

NavyTurtle · 23/07/2025 16:15

I had 3 children, my husband was at the middle ones birth, for the third, he stayed at home and looked after the other 2. Did I miss. Hell no. I got on with it. I was more concerned about the other two. He came and picked me up the next day. My first was a prem birth which no one could come in to as they did not know what was going to happen. I never had any help with my babies and I got on with it. It seems to me that so much is expected from extended family to 'help'. It is your choice to have these children, where has the backbone gone these days. Have we raised a next generation of snow flakes who cannot cope with life?

SharpLily · 23/07/2025 16:51

NavyTurtle · 23/07/2025 16:15

I had 3 children, my husband was at the middle ones birth, for the third, he stayed at home and looked after the other 2. Did I miss. Hell no. I got on with it. I was more concerned about the other two. He came and picked me up the next day. My first was a prem birth which no one could come in to as they did not know what was going to happen. I never had any help with my babies and I got on with it. It seems to me that so much is expected from extended family to 'help'. It is your choice to have these children, where has the backbone gone these days. Have we raised a next generation of snow flakes who cannot cope with life?

I think it's the other way round. In the past families were larger and closer. People had the 'village' and they used it. It's a more modern thing for family members to live further away from each other and have more distant relationships. My mother's sister lived next door so I went to her when my brother was born, so that my father could be there. My mother returned the favour various times. Other aunts and my grandmother were close by too and my cousins and I were regularly farmed out around the family. I think this was far more normal and accepted in the past and the idea that family is just people with whom you share DNA and shouldn't ask for any help is much more recent.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 23/07/2025 20:42

SharpLily · 23/07/2025 16:51

I think it's the other way round. In the past families were larger and closer. People had the 'village' and they used it. It's a more modern thing for family members to live further away from each other and have more distant relationships. My mother's sister lived next door so I went to her when my brother was born, so that my father could be there. My mother returned the favour various times. Other aunts and my grandmother were close by too and my cousins and I were regularly farmed out around the family. I think this was far more normal and accepted in the past and the idea that family is just people with whom you share DNA and shouldn't ask for any help is much more recent.

And women didn’t work outside the home, so that made a massive difference.

but that’s not the case now.

katepilar · 23/07/2025 21:56

NavyTurtle · 23/07/2025 16:15

I had 3 children, my husband was at the middle ones birth, for the third, he stayed at home and looked after the other 2. Did I miss. Hell no. I got on with it. I was more concerned about the other two. He came and picked me up the next day. My first was a prem birth which no one could come in to as they did not know what was going to happen. I never had any help with my babies and I got on with it. It seems to me that so much is expected from extended family to 'help'. It is your choice to have these children, where has the backbone gone these days. Have we raised a next generation of snow flakes who cannot cope with life?

We are not designed to do it all on our own. We are forced to do it as modern society pushes us to do it this way. It does come with a price - various health problems including things like cancer in female organs.

Goingawayistricky · 23/07/2025 22:37

katepilar · 23/07/2025 21:56

We are not designed to do it all on our own. We are forced to do it as modern society pushes us to do it this way. It does come with a price - various health problems including things like cancer in female organs.

Sorry what!
If anything we are designed to give birth with other women. An interested partner at the birth is lovely I’m sure but its surely a recent norm.

SarahLdn740 · 24/07/2025 13:10

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 19:33

They obviously don't have anyone living close enough by that they could ring in the middle of the night to be there within an hour or so.

According to most people on here, even if they did, the family would be totally normal to say that they needed their sleep and ask not to be bothered. The OP would then be expected to agree that this wasn’t their family’s job or choice to have a new baby and lovingly move on, reassured that families are only there for having the occasional lunch together and exchange superficial thoughts on the weather or latest social occasions they attended while not being there for each other.

IsawwhatIsaw · 24/07/2025 13:14

It was your choice to have a large family.
you can’t expect other people to provide support especially as they’re older.

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