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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 21/07/2025 15:01

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:10

I know that’s why she was there 🙄 but that doesn’t mean the FIL should have been expected to drop everything and take over at the last minute just to provide relief for her. It’s not like she was on her way to the hospital, she just wanted him to cancel a work event to sit in her house in case her baby came 🙈

Something she was so worried would happen instantly that she WENT TO WORK 🤣

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 15:03

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 21/07/2025 15:01

Something she was so worried would happen instantly that she WENT TO WORK 🤣

lol, exactly! Either you're at risk of going into labour at any second, in which case, you'd be off on maternity leave, or you're not, in which case you don't need emergency childcare on tap for weeks on end 😂

diddl · 21/07/2025 15:07

The strangest thing is that Op's mum was so knackered!

If Op's husband was there for the weekend Op's FIL perhaps couldn't see why he was "needed" as well (even if he could have gone)?

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 15:30

Cosyblankets · 21/07/2025 12:40

I'm quite shocked at the amount of posters not understanding what she was asking for. Not sure if people are breeding deliberately obtuse.

We know exactly what she was asking for. But yes, she was very definitely "breeding deliberately obtuse" 😂

Cosyblankets · 21/07/2025 15:44

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 15:30

We know exactly what she was asking for. But yes, she was very definitely "breeding deliberately obtuse" 😂

An appropriate typo !

sophiapen · 21/07/2025 16:11

Just because some people on here didn't get any family help and just " got on with it" , doesn't mean that others are "automatically" expected to do the same ?! Everyone has different lives and circumstances and I don't see why OP has to justify her mother staying for 2 weeks and helping when needed! Child labour is unpredictable and recovery could be difficult so of course you'd be looking for temporary help as you want to make sure your other children are not disturbed with school/ nursery, completely normal IMO.
I'm sorry to read so many negative comments on here.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 16:48

sophiapen · 21/07/2025 16:11

Just because some people on here didn't get any family help and just " got on with it" , doesn't mean that others are "automatically" expected to do the same ?! Everyone has different lives and circumstances and I don't see why OP has to justify her mother staying for 2 weeks and helping when needed! Child labour is unpredictable and recovery could be difficult so of course you'd be looking for temporary help as you want to make sure your other children are not disturbed with school/ nursery, completely normal IMO.
I'm sorry to read so many negative comments on here.

That isn't what most people are saying though. She has had her mothers help for two whole weeks, and has worn her out to the extent that mum now needs a rest from running after her daughter and her husband! So now she is demanding expecting her FIL to do her bidding and step up tyo help because she has worn out her own mother! And when he didn't, she has "hashed it out with him" and is wondering why her FIL isn't jumping to her tune. I can tell her why. So can many posters here. I am gobsmacked her mother is letting her (and her son-in-law) get away with being so entitled. Especially since she wore out her mother before actually having any childbirth, unpredictable or not. And paternity leave is for dad to step up and provide help with the recovery / other children. They don't give paternity leave to FIL's !

Platypusdiver · 21/07/2025 16:50

I have not read the whole thread 23/24 pages (obviously)?!

Has anyone asked the very important questions: When was the baby due? Did it come on the night that fil should have been there? What was the plan if the baby came late?

I have been given a right kicking on mn for a not disimilar family situation. So i have empathy of others not really getting the family dynamic. However, I do feel expecting elderly parents to be on standby over a month-long period is a bit much.

I am in the "don't be pissed with fil" camp. However, he, in turn, can't expect last minute help if needed.

Also, in general expecting family members to travel and see you is sadly not a thing that happens unless you are very lucky nowadays. In the olden days when the whole family mucked in, families were living much closer. Not hours away.

It pisses me off that my brother expects my mother to drive 3 hours to babysit so they can go to the pub. There is no way that we would expect my in-laws to do the same (live in a different country). But they just don't visit anyway , no matter how happy they are when we see them.

Katrinawaves · 21/07/2025 16:57

Platypusdiver · 21/07/2025 16:50

I have not read the whole thread 23/24 pages (obviously)?!

Has anyone asked the very important questions: When was the baby due? Did it come on the night that fil should have been there? What was the plan if the baby came late?

I have been given a right kicking on mn for a not disimilar family situation. So i have empathy of others not really getting the family dynamic. However, I do feel expecting elderly parents to be on standby over a month-long period is a bit much.

I am in the "don't be pissed with fil" camp. However, he, in turn, can't expect last minute help if needed.

Also, in general expecting family members to travel and see you is sadly not a thing that happens unless you are very lucky nowadays. In the olden days when the whole family mucked in, families were living much closer. Not hours away.

It pisses me off that my brother expects my mother to drive 3 hours to babysit so they can go to the pub. There is no way that we would expect my in-laws to do the same (live in a different country). But they just don't visit anyway , no matter how happy they are when we see them.

No the baby did not arrive that weekend. It actually arrived 3 weeks later. The OP did not give birth alone so we assume the 72 year old mother ended up staying for 5 weeks

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 17:07

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 10:44

It was a bit more than a few drinks - it was a pre-planned work event.

It also wasn’t to make sure he didn’t miss the birth, it was to give the elderly 72 year old a break!

The elderly 72 year old was there to make sure the husband didn’t miss the birth.

And is a work do really more important than your own son? People he probably won’t see again after he retires? #MaleLonelinessEpidemic lol

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 17:07

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 10:44

It was a bit more than a few drinks - it was a pre-planned work event.

It also wasn’t to make sure he didn’t miss the birth, it was to give the elderly 72 year old a break!

The elderly 72 year old was there to make sure the husband didn’t miss the birth.

And is a work do really more important than your own son? People he probably won’t see again after he retires? #MaleLonelinessEpidemic lol

Digdongdoo · 21/07/2025 17:12

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 17:07

The elderly 72 year old was there to make sure the husband didn’t miss the birth.

And is a work do really more important than your own son? People he probably won’t see again after he retires? #MaleLonelinessEpidemic lol

Sometimes work dos obviously are important than your DC in a non emergency. He's likely years off retirement still if he's as OP says 10-15 years younger than her mum. Even parents of small children have to put work events first sometimes, let alone parents of adult DC whose wives might go into labour...

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 17:13

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 17:07

The elderly 72 year old was there to make sure the husband didn’t miss the birth.

And is a work do really more important than your own son? People he probably won’t see again after he retires? #MaleLonelinessEpidemic lol

Yes, I'm aware of why she was there. And it was totally unnecessary. Most people just carry on as normal until labour starts, and then they ring a friend/neighbour/family member to take over the childcare while mum goes to hospital - dad then follows as quickly as possible.

There was absolutely no need for the elderly 72 year old to be there for two weeks, nor was there any need for the FIL to cancel his plans. Nobody was in labour. Nothing was happening. OP just wanted him sitting in her house "just in case" she went into labour. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Pinkissmart · 21/07/2025 17:55

Why didn't you just let your mum rest more?

Livpool · 21/07/2025 18:00

I am shocked you expect this much help to be honest. I think you are asking too much

Supersares · 21/07/2025 18:24

We have 3 dc’s, youngest still at home. We manage with minimal help from family. Both working. It’s not forever. I think you’re being a bit unfair on your FIL. You are being unreasonable.

Wildefish · 21/07/2025 18:28

ACatNamedRobin · 20/07/2025 14:41

Ok but everyone must think that you're happy enough with the status quo as regards childcare and support, since you're having/have had your third child??

Just WOW… I had a third child by accident, it happens. Luckily I coped well!

Applecrumble0110 · 21/07/2025 19:03

Xyloplane · 21/07/2025 09:42

Yes that’s the same in my culture and it’s harmful and misogynistic. Expecting women to do endless amounts of domestic labour and childcare for literally generations is an awful practice and needs to end. Men need to step up and raise their children and look after their partners.

Well in my family personally my mum and sisters were counting down the days untill they could come. And the men in my life were brilliant also.

Applecrumble0110 · 21/07/2025 19:04

Blessthismess2 · 21/07/2025 07:21

We believe bringing a child into the world is a blessing and a joy for everyone to enjoy

Are you familiar with mumsnet orthodoxy on relatives’ access to babies? Especially in laws (especially MIL’s)?

I don't think i am haha! Because I think its ridiculous to not want anyone playing with/enjoying your baby and then be upset you don't have helpm

HereWeGo1234 · 21/07/2025 19:05

You have a 3 day old baby and are able to compose such a long message-wow I could hardly write a shopping list after my third!

Maybe your FIL could have helped you but he hasn’t. I kind of don’t blame him wanting to go to his work do. I’d do nothing contact wise for a while and see what (if anything) he offers off his own bat.

Try to put him out of your mind and best of luck with your new baby.

SarahLdn740 · 21/07/2025 19:07

I am one of the few who says you’re not being unreasonable. I agree that family and friends are meant to be there for you in hard times. You’re not asking them to provide regular childcare, you are about to go into labour and are asking for emergency care. For me, I would drop everything to help someone I care about to do it unless they were being super cheeky and demanding otherwise. I’d be disappointed to know I can’t rely on a family member, especially that what seems more important to them is something so trivial.

interesting to see the overwhelming view though. To me it just makes family not any closer than not-really good friends 🤷‍♀️

Single50something · 21/07/2025 19:14

Never got help and was on my own. I dont think people would expect you to need much help?

independentfriend · 21/07/2025 19:19

I'm impressed with your father in law's honesty - think it would have been worse had he agreed to look after kids he doesn't see often while still drunk or hungover.

If there's a next time, I think let your mum get on with it - she's old enough to know her own limitations and to say when she's done enough. I wouldn't try to send her away for a rest, because the travel there and back is probably more tiring than staying put and she'll discover a load of her own jobs to do at home and have to feed herself which probably involves immediate grocery shopping after being away for a fortnight. If it's more than you need your own space after being together for a fortnight, try to plan the break in advance.

soupyspoon · 21/07/2025 19:29

I can imagine the thread if he turned up to be on standby to care for the childrn and he can barely keep his eyes open due to the late night and needs a kip in the afternoon or something. He's late 50s as well, perhaps caring for 2 small children is not in his skill set or ability anymore?

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 19:33

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 17:13

Yes, I'm aware of why she was there. And it was totally unnecessary. Most people just carry on as normal until labour starts, and then they ring a friend/neighbour/family member to take over the childcare while mum goes to hospital - dad then follows as quickly as possible.

There was absolutely no need for the elderly 72 year old to be there for two weeks, nor was there any need for the FIL to cancel his plans. Nobody was in labour. Nothing was happening. OP just wanted him sitting in her house "just in case" she went into labour. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

They obviously don't have anyone living close enough by that they could ring in the middle of the night to be there within an hour or so.

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