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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Omeara · 20/07/2025 14:53

Why was your Mum soing the housework and not your partner?

arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2025 14:53

Wow, your entitlement is off the charts.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 14:54

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:53

So many posters here are missing the point entirely! Sure, the guy can do what he likes and he doesn't owe his son and DIL anything. It's just that he is choosing to be an utter c**t. That's the point OP is making. Showing some interest in his newborn grandchild surely should be a normal thing. At least you know where you stand @Starlightbright200

He's not choosing to be an utter cunt.

He's choosing not to get involved running around after a couple who've decided to have a 3rd baby, when they find coping with the 2 they already have, so difficult.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 20/07/2025 14:55

Shouldn't have had three children if you don't have adequate resources or money.

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:56

I'm sorry but not getting in touch at all is shocking. I didn't read it like OP wanted anything in particular other than acknowledgement and interest in what went on! I mean the bar is really low here...

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/07/2025 14:58

Your poor Mum! You’ve asked way too much of her!

All the things she’s running around doing sound to me like your partner’s job to do.

FIL had a good reason not to come that weekend. And tbh someone who is still working doesn’t need to be travelling to you and doing childcare and housework.

You really do seem to want a lot from this older generation!

TomatoSandwiches · 20/07/2025 14:58

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:56

I'm sorry but not getting in touch at all is shocking. I didn't read it like OP wanted anything in particular other than acknowledgement and interest in what went on! I mean the bar is really low here...

Read again, they expected the FIL to come give respite for ops mother and to stay and help over the weekend.

Op needs to stop focusing on FIL and start thinking of ways she can organise herself to cope with her 3 children.

arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2025 14:58

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:56

I'm sorry but not getting in touch at all is shocking. I didn't read it like OP wanted anything in particular other than acknowledgement and interest in what went on! I mean the bar is really low here...

The context is everything though. The op and her dh seem to think that their parents owe them constant free childcare, and when one finishes their shift, the next should start theirs. The fil has realised they’ll just take and take, and said no more.

FloofyBird · 20/07/2025 14:59

Why was your mum doing all the house stuff? Fil already had plans and it wasn't his fault you let your mum wear herself out doing all your housework. I think yabu re that but your fil should have contacted his son after you had dc.

BurntBroccoli · 20/07/2025 14:59

I didn’t have any extra help at all and I had an emergency caesarean!
Same with baby no 2!

GlenmoreSprings · 20/07/2025 14:59

Your mother is going through cancer and is receiving chemo. She needs to be cared for not provide care. She has no energy, her immune system is a mess. If you choose to bring a third child into this world then you have to think about childcare and assume others will help (family or not).

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:59

arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2025 14:58

The context is everything though. The op and her dh seem to think that their parents owe them constant free childcare, and when one finishes their shift, the next should start theirs. The fil has realised they’ll just take and take, and said no more.

It says they didn't have childcare in place for the birth of their 3rd child! That's entirely different from regular 'date night' childcare. Jesus wept.

CopperWhite · 20/07/2025 14:59

Why should he be the first to get in touch when his son was so rude to him? It’s not his son that has just given birth, and presumably the OPs DH is a grown man too who is equally as capable of phoning his Dad. If his Dad knew nothing about the baby’s arrival, that would be bad, but that’s not what’s happening because his wife has been in contact.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:00

MrBallenIsaFittie · 20/07/2025 14:43

You seem to expect a lot of help from your family.
Why on earth did you need your mother staying with you for two weeks?
Sounds like FIL has got the measure of you and your partner and is ensuring he doesn't get roped in like your mother has been.

No she doesn’t do this as a regular thing. My midwives said they were concerned because the speed of my last birth that I would be alone again. The only reason she was there was because we don’t have near by family and we just had someone in the house to make sure if we had to leave at say 2 am and I went into labour we had someone the children knew in the house. The unpredictability of childbirth makes the logistics harder. For DC 2 she came but it was too late and we wanted to avoid that scenario again considering the complications we had before. We were just trying to be prepared as the last time was very difficult. I actually don’t expect much from my family….but to put things into perspective my mother moved her mother in to our house when I was three and she didn’t leave until I was 30 so I’m not asking for much my based on her example!

we don’t get regular help. That was the point of my post. We only get help for childcare emergencies for work. We pay for nursery and baby sitters and any travel related costs for anyone that was to help. This two weeks was an anomaly in preparation for babies arrival on the midwives advice because they said 3rd babies can make an even quickly entry.

OP posts:
Jellycatspyjamas · 20/07/2025 15:00

I don’t know why you’d call your FIL to “hash it out”, surely that’s your partners place if he feels the need. Expecting someone to drop their plans and travel with no notice is unreasonable and having your mum there for 2 weeks before your due date is pretty entitled behaviour, especially if she’s doing so much work around the house she needs someone else to give her a break.

LaLaLandDreams · 20/07/2025 15:01

You decided to have 3 kids. There’s been many posts from women who had no childcare for a birth, all choices you make.

beAsensible1 · 20/07/2025 15:01

Have you guys ever thought of making friends with parents of your children’s friends or people who have kids a similar age rather than asking the elderly, infirm or useless?

you are on your 3rd child they’re only going to get older.

GoldDuster · 20/07/2025 15:01

You need to accept that you have the level of family support with your 3DC that is on offer, and no more. This is not something you can cajole or persuade people into doing, and have it end well.

You have only been to the cinema once since you had DC, because you've got 3 DC and no family support and no funds for any more child care. So the burden is on you and your partner. It would be nice to have more support, but it is not there.

I would stop having conversations with your FIL regarding his relationship with his son, that is for your DP to deal with, not you.

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 15:02

Sad to read that because so many women don't have adequate support networks others should suck up uncaring behaviour from their relatives.

CremeEggThief · 20/07/2025 15:04

Of course YABU.

If people don't want to help for any reason at all that is their choice!

I hid from the postman on Friday, because I didn't want the responsibility of taking a parcel in for one of the neighbours. I just wasn't in the mood, so I chose not to. Simple as that.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/07/2025 15:05

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 15:02

Sad to read that because so many women don't have adequate support networks others should suck up uncaring behaviour from their relatives.

Uncaring or boundaried?

LaLaLandDreams · 20/07/2025 15:05

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:53

So many posters here are missing the point entirely! Sure, the guy can do what he likes and he doesn't owe his son and DIL anything. It's just that he is choosing to be an utter c**t. That's the point OP is making. Showing some interest in his newborn grandchild surely should be a normal thing. At least you know where you stand @Starlightbright200

How is he being a cunt? Because he didn’t drop his work and pre planned work function?

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:05

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 15:02

Sad to read that because so many women don't have adequate support networks others should suck up uncaring behaviour from their relatives.

Thank you x

OP posts:
StandFirm · 20/07/2025 15:05

And really shocked to read so many posters jumping to the defence of a bloke who'd rather be at a piss up with his colleagues than with his family.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 20/07/2025 15:06

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 14:54

He's not choosing to be an utter cunt.

He's choosing not to get involved running around after a couple who've decided to have a 3rd baby, when they find coping with the 2 they already have, so difficult.

Quite. Both the OP and her OH seem to be under the impression that they are owed what they want. They have struggled to afford two children (plus the lifestyle they would obviously like) so they decided to add another child, and far from "not asking much" they expect everyone else to pick up for them.