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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 10:44

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 10:42

It's off the charts depressing that a parent wouldn't give up some drinks to make sure his son doesn't miss the birth of his child.

It was a bit more than a few drinks - it was a pre-planned work event.

It also wasn’t to make sure he didn’t miss the birth, it was to give the elderly 72 year old a break!

Zippy85 · 21/07/2025 10:46

Goodness people's reading comprehension is so bad! OP clearly doesnt want longterm help, she needed temporary help whilst she was in labour. And she obsviously wasnt making her mum do housework, she is clearly just a helpful lady. Of course technically your FIL can do what he wants, but the way he responded was horrible, especially to his only son. I dont think you are unreasonable at all and I'd have been very hurt too. Congratulations on your new baby

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 10:58

Cherrytree86 · 21/07/2025 10:10

@DonnyBurrito

i don’t feel remotely silly. He’ll have a hangover next day - so what? I often get hangovers after a big night out which sounds like this is - his annual work do. So what?? Adults are allowed to drink and get a hangover. It’s not a sign of a lesser person or some kind of moral failure. Poppet.

You should feel silly because you're completely missing the point. Nobody said getting pissed in itself was a moral failure.

The moral failure is that the FIL decided that him getting pissed at a work event (which he STILL could have attended, taken it easy at and NOT had a horrendous hangover) was more important than making sure his son could be at the birth of his child. It's not like drinking to excess is mandatory on a works do. Adults are allowed to drink sensibly, too. It was his choice to prioritise getting hammered instead of his family. Very cool and adult, yeah...

It will likely come back to bite him in the arse when he's frail and his son doesn't give a shit about helping him.

Don't act like I'm holier than thou about booze to suggest this. Ad hominem attacks just make you look sillier. You don't know anything about me.

Xyloplane · 21/07/2025 10:59

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 10:40

You're making things up and making your own assumptions. OP said they've had one night out in 4 years - that's hardly someone who asks for loads of help.

The mother came to stay for 2 weeks because babies can be born any time within 2 weeks each side of the due date whilst still being considered "on time". You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder that you are projecting onto OP's thread with no basis.

“For my partner it highlights his dad’s absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself.”

”My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much.”

”We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this.”

”we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back.”

“am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman?”

All of the above are direct quotes from the OP.

Quote 1: why is her DH struggling?

Quote 2: her mum has been their main support but does not want make the long journey but they are continuing to ask her.

Quote 3: their requests for support are to provide childcare while they are at work, so not babysitting.

Quote 4: her mum has absolutely been doing the domestic labour while she takes care of the children and her husband works. Remind me again why a grown man cannot do housework after work? And her mum is so tired they are attempting to draft in her FIL so her mum can have two days of “respite” and then come back to carry on.

Quote 5: the Op and her DH are attempting to guilt trip her FIL into helping by making him feel responsible for giving her mum a break. Manipulative much?

I think you need to re-read the OP because this is shocking, entitled behaviour.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:02

Zippy85 · 21/07/2025 10:46

Goodness people's reading comprehension is so bad! OP clearly doesnt want longterm help, she needed temporary help whilst she was in labour. And she obsviously wasnt making her mum do housework, she is clearly just a helpful lady. Of course technically your FIL can do what he wants, but the way he responded was horrible, especially to his only son. I dont think you are unreasonable at all and I'd have been very hurt too. Congratulations on your new baby

But she wasn’t in labour - that’s the point. She had her elderly mum with her for two weeks, and when she needed a break, expected her FIL to cancel a pre-arranged event to be there instead.

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 11:02

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 10:44

It was a bit more than a few drinks - it was a pre-planned work event.

It also wasn’t to make sure he didn’t miss the birth, it was to give the elderly 72 year old a break!

...which the son suggested he still attend, just come the next day. FIL said no because he'd be too hungover.

FIL could have said "Hmm, okay... I'll just go easy on the day then, and get the train in the morning. I see all those fuckers all day all week anyway!"

Carry on defending a useless, selfish old man, though... It's a great look.

Zippy85 · 21/07/2025 11:07

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:02

But she wasn’t in labour - that’s the point. She had her elderly mum with her for two weeks, and when she needed a break, expected her FIL to cancel a pre-arranged event to be there instead.

Are you deliberately missing the point? I cant tell. Her mum was there for that period because she was likely to go into labour quickly. This can't be the first time you've heard of family staying with an expectant mum/dad so they can look after their existing children at very short notice. Is his honestly an alien concept to you?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:10

Zippy85 · 21/07/2025 11:07

Are you deliberately missing the point? I cant tell. Her mum was there for that period because she was likely to go into labour quickly. This can't be the first time you've heard of family staying with an expectant mum/dad so they can look after their existing children at very short notice. Is his honestly an alien concept to you?

I know that’s why she was there 🙄 but that doesn’t mean the FIL should have been expected to drop everything and take over at the last minute just to provide relief for her. It’s not like she was on her way to the hospital, she just wanted him to cancel a work event to sit in her house in case her baby came 🙈

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:11

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 11:02

...which the son suggested he still attend, just come the next day. FIL said no because he'd be too hungover.

FIL could have said "Hmm, okay... I'll just go easy on the day then, and get the train in the morning. I see all those fuckers all day all week anyway!"

Carry on defending a useless, selfish old man, though... It's a great look.

I don’t care what look it is 🤣 he’s under no obligation to cancel his plans to sit in his sons house just in case the OP goes into labour 🤷‍♀️

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 11:22

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:11

I don’t care what look it is 🤣 he’s under no obligation to cancel his plans to sit in his sons house just in case the OP goes into labour 🤷‍♀️

He didn't need to cancel his plans, though! Christ. Getting drunk at a works do is entirely optional.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:24

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 11:22

He didn't need to cancel his plans, though! Christ. Getting drunk at a works do is entirely optional.

Yep - it is optional and it’s what he wanted to do with his time, not sit at his sons house just in case his DIL went into labour.

If she was actively in labour and couldn’t be arsed, then that would be shit, but she wasn’t, so there was no need for him to rearrange anything at that point.

Hotandbotheredflower · 21/07/2025 11:25

Only on MN:

  • I don’t have anyone we can rely on if I go into labour for childcare for my eldest…all the responses “you should create your village and look into childcare options, you knew this before getting pregnant”
  • My mum has come to help for 2 weeks incase I go into labour but is struggling…all the responses “in my day we didn’t have any help, no family, no friends we just got on with it, even delivered my baby at home as it was easier”
NoSoupForU · 21/07/2025 11:26

You are being incredibly unreasonable.

Firstly I can't understand why your mum was so exhausted if she's been doing a few dishes whilst you and your husband dealt with everything else so suspect a bit of fibbing there.

Secondly, you asked your FIL if he was available and he was not. You're fine to ask, but you don't get to judge whether his existing plans are worthy of saying no to you. And you're really out of order getting arsey over anyone not wanting to get a train for 2 hours and then back. Even moreso when the person works and your expectation is that they give up their weekend to do this.

Thirdly, when you decided to have a third child what plans did you make to ensure your husband could be at the birth? And how did those plans differ from the situation you found yourself in?

And lastly, calling your father in law to have a go at him, seemingly on behalf of your husband(?) is both bizarre and out of order. His wife was asking for updates and presumably passing the information on, no? In my relationship only one of us needs to do the communication bit and will then relay the info between ourselves which I think is quite normal.

Cherrytree86 · 21/07/2025 11:39

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 11:22

He didn't need to cancel his plans, though! Christ. Getting drunk at a works do is entirely optional.

@DonnyBurrito

look he probably wanted to let his hair down on an annual works do with no restrictions. He shouldn’t have to forgo this to come to OP’s house for the weekend just in case she goes into labour.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 12:27

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 09:26

Oh poppet, grandad himself said he wouldn't be able to support his son because he'd be too 'FKD' to after a day of drinking.

Do you feel silly, now? You should.

No Grandad himself didn't say that. The OP said that he said that. The OP clearly loves him to bits and has absolutely no axe to grind so we can depend on her to report everything accurately because she's the only unselfish person around. Abd he wasn't asked to support his son - he was asked to support his son'e wife's mother who was too fkd after running around after the OP and her entire family for two weeks.

Serpentstooth · 21/07/2025 12:38

FILs help with childcare? News to me. Not met one yet.

Cosyblankets · 21/07/2025 12:40

I'm quite shocked at the amount of posters not understanding what she was asking for. Not sure if people are breeding deliberately obtuse.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 21/07/2025 12:43

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 11:22

He didn't need to cancel his plans, though! Christ. Getting drunk at a works do is entirely optional.

Maybe OP shouldn’t have worked her own mother to be knackered (which she admitted in the first post, then tried to change). Been more organised and seen if FIL had any availability in the two weeks before, then she could’ve swapped weekends etc with her own mother.

But no, she just decided to ask with very little notice and FIL had plans. He possibly could’ve done the weekend before, swapping with her DM.

she knew she “needed”
cover from two weeks before, and should’ve been arranging that according to other peoples commitments. Then she would’ve know FIL had a prior engagement.

A lesson for the future for OP.

And she was asking him to cancel his plans, wether you think they were optional or not, it’s his life, his plans and whilst we are putting in some whataboutery, may be the only night of the year he goes out.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 21/07/2025 12:45

Ok, riddle me this then. The mother moves in for 2 weeks for the sole reason "in case" OP goes into labour. After 2 weeks OP decides that her mother needs "respite" after doing all the housework and "heavy lifting" at 72 years of age. OP continues to work full time. So she now tries to rope FIL in to "take over the heavy lifting" that her mother was doing for the 2 weeks previous. He refuses as he has a preplanned work night out and knows he might not be feeling too clever the next day.

That's the long and the short of it. OP did not ring him in labour and he refused to come. She rang him and asked him for respite for her Mum who was obviously run ragged. It wasn't a life or death situation. She asked him to come on the day of his work do and then when he refused asked him to come the very next morning, just hours later. She literally wanted him to take over where her mother left off.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 21/07/2025 12:48

Cosyblankets · 21/07/2025 12:40

I'm quite shocked at the amount of posters not understanding what she was asking for. Not sure if people are breeding deliberately obtuse.

I’m not sure what you are talking about?

FrodisCapering · 21/07/2025 12:50

I get the fear of missing another birth thing - we had to beg my parents to come over. Husband didn't leave until I was in active labour because the was cooking their breakfast
We then came home same day and had to make their dinner, before they went home. They did nothing practical, not even getting out 18month old dressed or doing teeth. My husband did it all before he left and we did it when we came back in the evening.
I thought that was awful, however I would not expect help day to day. I'm an only child and my husband's from overseas so we have zero help. Still, we chose to have the kids, and it is getting easier now they are 5 and 6.
It goes both ways though. I'm not prepared to drop everything to rush over and help either. Their approach to being grandparents made boundary -setting much easier.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 12:53

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 21/07/2025 12:45

Ok, riddle me this then. The mother moves in for 2 weeks for the sole reason "in case" OP goes into labour. After 2 weeks OP decides that her mother needs "respite" after doing all the housework and "heavy lifting" at 72 years of age. OP continues to work full time. So she now tries to rope FIL in to "take over the heavy lifting" that her mother was doing for the 2 weeks previous. He refuses as he has a preplanned work night out and knows he might not be feeling too clever the next day.

That's the long and the short of it. OP did not ring him in labour and he refused to come. She rang him and asked him for respite for her Mum who was obviously run ragged. It wasn't a life or death situation. She asked him to come on the day of his work do and then when he refused asked him to come the very next morning, just hours later. She literally wanted him to take over where her mother left off.

Yes, exactly this 👏

Katrinawaves · 21/07/2025 14:15

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 10:29

God, did NOBODY read the thread? They wanted the grandparents there so there'd be someone to look after the eldest child when she went into labour, not to do general housework and childcare. She asked her FIL to help out too, but he refused so she ended up giving birth alone.

That’s ironic. Did you not read the thread yourself.

She wasn’t in labour when she asked him to come. The baby wasn’t born the weekend she asked him to come but in fact 3 weeks later. She don’t give birth to this child alone (it was the previous child that happened with)

Digdongdoo · 21/07/2025 14:18

Katrinawaves · 21/07/2025 14:15

That’s ironic. Did you not read the thread yourself.

She wasn’t in labour when she asked him to come. The baby wasn’t born the weekend she asked him to come but in fact 3 weeks later. She don’t give birth to this child alone (it was the previous child that happened with)

In that poster's defense, I think OP had been deliberately vague with timelines... it's not all that easy to follow who was where when or who was born when.

Katrinawaves · 21/07/2025 14:33

Digdongdoo · 21/07/2025 14:18

In that poster's defense, I think OP had been deliberately vague with timelines... it's not all that easy to follow who was where when or who was born when.

Agreed. I think that was done deliberately to cloak the fact that the 72 year old mother ended up having to move in with the OP and her husband for 5 weeks to provide 24 hour on call cover and do the “heavy lifting” with the housework.

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