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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
dutchyoriginal · 21/07/2025 06:01

I disagree with most. FIL was/is a sh*t dad to your DH and a rubbish grandfather.

thinklagoon · 21/07/2025 06:06

dutchyoriginal · 21/07/2025 06:01

I disagree with most. FIL was/is a sh*t dad to your DH and a rubbish grandfather.

I agree with you. Unfortunately the “can’t read” crowd started early and the thread ran away with misinformation and misinterpretation.

thelakeisle · 21/07/2025 06:11

Oh well done, that man. He really has your number. I have rarely seen anyone just openly admit to being so entitled and selfish. Leave your poor mother alone, and get on with raising YOUR children.

The expectancy is and always should be that YOU will organise childcare for YOUR children under any circumstances. So get on with it, or stop having kids.

dutchyoriginal · 21/07/2025 06:12

MummyJ36 · 20/07/2025 22:09

A lot has been said already so perhaps I’m repeating what has been said even though I’d RTFT. It is not unreasonable to ask for help on an ad-hoc basis like this, particularly for major life events like a baby being born. All I can say is, we all reap what we sow. You FIL is within his rights to do whatever he wants, but years down the line when he likely needs family support in his old age, so will you.

It sounds like your DM has been lovely and done what she can. It is normal for mums to want to help out, even if they are not in the best health themselves. It’s just what mums do. And I’m sure you have been there for her over the years and will continue to be.

Good point. If FIL expects a lift to the hospital/has a serious op in years to come, while your DH has a works do, your DH is well within his rights to choose the work do and nurse his hangover for 24 hours and then don't call for updates for the next month.... according to all these mumsnetters...

"He had plans and doesn't have to change them for you"

(Edited as I forgot last line)

LavenderHaze19 · 21/07/2025 07:03

I absolutely can’t imagine not checking in on my son and his partner for 3 weeks after they’ve had a baby - that’s really shit behaviour.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 21/07/2025 07:06

Sorry but you are very cheeky and entitled.You chose to have 3.

Digdongdoo · 21/07/2025 07:09

LavenderHaze19 · 21/07/2025 07:03

I absolutely can’t imagine not checking in on my son and his partner for 3 weeks after they’ve had a baby - that’s really shit behaviour.

But he baby is only a couple of days old! And his wife has been checking in.
It's been 3 weeks since he was asked to come for the weekend. I'm assuming baby was fairly late.

Spirallingdownwards · 21/07/2025 07:16

You were pissed off that FIL wouldn't drop everything to take over from your mum at short notice when he had other plans.

I assume you made your feelings known so he took a step back. You then further hashed things out (presumably this means you had a go at him). It's no wonder he is taking a step back.

All the rest about child care and paying for it etc is peripheral nonsense. Apologise to him and maybe things will get back on an even footing

Blessthismess2 · 21/07/2025 07:21

Applecrumble0110 · 21/07/2025 00:59

OP I feel so bad for you because this was the wrong place to ask for help, I could have already guessed the replies lol. You are not incompetent or a bad mother for needing help. In my culture a woman's mil/mother/sister come to stay with her for as long as they want or can when she has a baby to pamper her and make her postpartum journey easier hy helping with whatever. We believe bringing a child into the world is a blessing and a joy for everyone to enjoy so I could never understand the viewpoint of grandparents who don't LOVE to spend lots of time with a new baby/grandchildren. And for those banging on about why was your mun doing your partners job, so what if you wanted some childcare so you have your partner there for your birth? Baffles me all these women who think you didn't deserve that situation. Projecting their issues I feel.

We believe bringing a child into the world is a blessing and a joy for everyone to enjoy

Are you familiar with mumsnet orthodoxy on relatives’ access to babies? Especially in laws (especially MIL’s)?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 07:28

LavenderHaze19 · 21/07/2025 07:03

I absolutely can’t imagine not checking in on my son and his partner for 3 weeks after they’ve had a baby - that’s really shit behaviour.

The baby was only born a couple of days ago.

I’m not sure I’d particularly want contact with someone who rang me multiple times to “hash things out” either, tbh.

NoNameNoOne · 21/07/2025 07:45

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:05

Yes of course but having someone you can call in the middle of the night and hope they wake up is different to your family being there. As mentioned neither one of us have local family so we would never have had them there if they lived round the corner.

My best friend would answer the phone and come if she knew I needed her in the middle of the night - as would many of my friends who all have kids of their own - they would just bring them over. I think you should try speaking with your local friends rather than expecting people to be willing to stay at your house indefinitely.
What would you do should your family need an emergency hospital trip in the night or for something other than a birth? Consider alternative options.
Goodluck with it all :)

Spindrifts · 21/07/2025 07:55

'We believe bringing a child into the world is a blessing and a joy for everyone to enjoy so I could never understand the viewpoint of grandparents who don't LOVE to spend lots of time with a new baby/grandchildren.'
No offence but I could not think of anything worse than having to spend time with a new baby. Children don't interest me and I find all this baby stuff 'boring'. Not everyone likes children. I'd be a terrible grandparent but there again my kids don't like children either.

Cherrytree86 · 21/07/2025 08:38

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 23:46

Grandad needs to get trollied.

Projecting your own alcohol issues onto others isn't helpful.

The vast majority of people who attend events where alcohol is served, manage to drink without getting 'trollied' as you put it.

If you can't, that's a completely different thread.

@DonnyBurrito

yeah you do sound like you have a bit of a weird attitude towards alcohol.

PluckyChancer · 21/07/2025 08:39

We had no help as both sets of parents were dead when we had kids and it was just the two of us.

Yes, I’ve seen other mum friends getting practical support and babysitting from their mum/MIL which is lovely but I do feel frustrated when they take their own parents for granted and expect them to still prioritise their adult child’s needs over their own, as you’re doing with your FIL.

It does smack of entitlement expecting your parents to always prioritise your needs as if you’re still the child.

Also, let’s stop with the ‘giving birth on my own’ nonsense. You’re hardly in the outback in a mud hut! You’ll be in hospital surrounded by medical professionals so why can’t your husband stay home with your younger children? I’m the only one who drives (partner now has sight problems), so when I need hospital care I either catch the bus to the hospital that’s 90 mins away or I ask good friends if they can give me a lift.

When my mum had me she caught a bus to the hospital when she went into labour and my dad was only interested in who was going to cook his dinner when he got home from work.

StandFirm · 21/07/2025 08:46

When my mum had me she caught a bus to the hospital when she went into labour and my dad was only interested in who was going to cook his dinner when he got home from work.

And you think that was ok?

StandFirm · 21/07/2025 08:50

PluckyChancer · 21/07/2025 08:39

We had no help as both sets of parents were dead when we had kids and it was just the two of us.

Yes, I’ve seen other mum friends getting practical support and babysitting from their mum/MIL which is lovely but I do feel frustrated when they take their own parents for granted and expect them to still prioritise their adult child’s needs over their own, as you’re doing with your FIL.

It does smack of entitlement expecting your parents to always prioritise your needs as if you’re still the child.

Also, let’s stop with the ‘giving birth on my own’ nonsense. You’re hardly in the outback in a mud hut! You’ll be in hospital surrounded by medical professionals so why can’t your husband stay home with your younger children? I’m the only one who drives (partner now has sight problems), so when I need hospital care I either catch the bus to the hospital that’s 90 mins away or I ask good friends if they can give me a lift.

When my mum had me she caught a bus to the hospital when she went into labour and my dad was only interested in who was going to cook his dinner when he got home from work.

Also where has this bizarre idea come from that a woman doesn't need anyone by her side when she gives birth at a hospital?? They're hectic places with overworked midwives and nurses. Anything can happen despite medical professionals' best efforts and sometimes someone else is absolutely required to sound the alarm. With my first birth for instance. I was young and healthy so not the focus on the maternity ward. And yet, something went wrong and my heart rate and the baby's collapsed. Had it not been for DH rushing to grab the midwife, I'd probably not be here.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 09:00

SharpLily · 20/07/2025 23:27

Yeah, I was pretty sure the thread would go this way because:

  1. People tend not to actually read properly. At least not when they're in such a hurry to jump in and give the OP a kicking.
  2. On Mumsnet people don't seem to believe in the concept of family, at least not the way I know it but I live in Spain where grandmothers are not only expected to help out but deeply offended if not asked. I don't even get on well with my mother but I would have struggled without her help, and I hope I get the opportunity to help my daughters if they need something similar. On Mumsnet you can never, ever ask anyone else to look after your children. Even if you die, you can't ever ask for or expect any help. You'll be expected to do it all from the grave. It's grim.

I kind of get it - if you don't have decent family relationships you may find it weird to have family help but I can't see how it's in any way unreasonable to ask your own mother or father to help out on such a significant occasion as the birth of their grandchild! Particularly if you don't make a habit of it and the OP has been clear they don't. It's weird here.

I don't think you have read the same thread that I have because "grandmother" apeared to be working so hard for two whole weeks that she needed respite!

And bully for you living in Spain where grandmothers are expected to help out. Grandfathers, however, aren't expected to help out which is not entirely unexpected given the deep seated misogyny of so many Hispanic cultures.

In the UK, we aren't there yet, but we would prefer women aren't expected to do anything they can't or don't want to. It's called liberation.

Boomer55 · 21/07/2025 09:14

Not sure what you need all this help with? 🤷‍♀️

StandFirm · 21/07/2025 09:22

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 09:00

I don't think you have read the same thread that I have because "grandmother" apeared to be working so hard for two whole weeks that she needed respite!

And bully for you living in Spain where grandmothers are expected to help out. Grandfathers, however, aren't expected to help out which is not entirely unexpected given the deep seated misogyny of so many Hispanic cultures.

In the UK, we aren't there yet, but we would prefer women aren't expected to do anything they can't or don't want to. It's called liberation.

I'd argue that liberation only works when the men pull their weight, otherwise without anyone's support, mums are even worse off than before! What really gets my goat on this thread is what an easy ride the bloke's getting. Fair enough, the grandmother's done more than enough, but what about the grandfather eh?

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 09:26

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 23:46

Grandad needs to get trollied.

Projecting your own alcohol issues onto others isn't helpful.

The vast majority of people who attend events where alcohol is served, manage to drink without getting 'trollied' as you put it.

If you can't, that's a completely different thread.

Oh poppet, grandad himself said he wouldn't be able to support his son because he'd be too 'FKD' to after a day of drinking.

Do you feel silly, now? You should.

Xyloplane · 21/07/2025 09:33

Why are you expecting so much help from other people to raise your children? None of your post is about you wanting your children to spend quality time with their grandparents or to do fun things etc., but all about how they should facilitate your life and your decisions. It’s ridiculous. You have chosen to have three children, you are responsible for raising them, and expecting older people in ill health who live far away to do your child rearing is beyond selfish. Maybe your FIL would take more interest if he didn’t keep getting tapped up for favours?

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 09:34

Cherrytree86 · 21/07/2025 08:38

@DonnyBurrito

yeah you do sound like you have a bit of a weird attitude towards alcohol.

Are you okay? OPs FIL literally said he was going to be drinking all day and the next day would be 'too FKD' - those were his own words.

I was suggesting that he actually didn't need to drink to excess, so he could still attend the work social AND help his son.

Y'all are weird as heck.

readingismycardio · 21/07/2025 09:34

i’m shocked that it has become a badge of honour to raise your children with little to no help. There’s no village anymore and it seems to be frowned upon (in the UK) to have your family help. We’re one & done and I’d definitely not have 3. I love my toddler, but I also need me time and couple time and my mother is happy to help. Having children doesn’t mean “stop existing and never ask for help”.

Xyloplane · 21/07/2025 09:42

Applecrumble0110 · 21/07/2025 00:59

OP I feel so bad for you because this was the wrong place to ask for help, I could have already guessed the replies lol. You are not incompetent or a bad mother for needing help. In my culture a woman's mil/mother/sister come to stay with her for as long as they want or can when she has a baby to pamper her and make her postpartum journey easier hy helping with whatever. We believe bringing a child into the world is a blessing and a joy for everyone to enjoy so I could never understand the viewpoint of grandparents who don't LOVE to spend lots of time with a new baby/grandchildren. And for those banging on about why was your mun doing your partners job, so what if you wanted some childcare so you have your partner there for your birth? Baffles me all these women who think you didn't deserve that situation. Projecting their issues I feel.

Yes that’s the same in my culture and it’s harmful and misogynistic. Expecting women to do endless amounts of domestic labour and childcare for literally generations is an awful practice and needs to end. Men need to step up and raise their children and look after their partners.

Xyloplane · 21/07/2025 09:45

readingismycardio · 21/07/2025 09:34

i’m shocked that it has become a badge of honour to raise your children with little to no help. There’s no village anymore and it seems to be frowned upon (in the UK) to have your family help. We’re one & done and I’d definitely not have 3. I love my toddler, but I also need me time and couple time and my mother is happy to help. Having children doesn’t mean “stop existing and never ask for help”.

There never was any “village”, just patriarchal nonsense that expected women to constantly provide domestic labour and childcare to all and sundry. I’m so glad so many women are seeing through that nonsense and saying no.

It goes some way to explain falling birth rates in my opinion. Women are no longer seen as an endless source of labour and so fewer women are having babies because they know that they would have to rely solely on their partners rather than their mothers/sisters/aunts/grandmothers to parent their children.

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