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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 21/07/2025 19:39

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 17:13

Yes, I'm aware of why she was there. And it was totally unnecessary. Most people just carry on as normal until labour starts, and then they ring a friend/neighbour/family member to take over the childcare while mum goes to hospital - dad then follows as quickly as possible.

There was absolutely no need for the elderly 72 year old to be there for two weeks, nor was there any need for the FIL to cancel his plans. Nobody was in labour. Nothing was happening. OP just wanted him sitting in her house "just in case" she went into labour. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

According to OP her previous labour was very quick and this one was expected to be the same, that's why she wanted someone around.

I don't blame her for wanting her DH with her. My situation was different, I was induced, but it would have been even more awful without DH as I ended up feeling lied to and unsupported by the staff. And DH at least made sure I was given food afterwards!

BlankBlankBlank14 · 21/07/2025 19:45

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 21/07/2025 19:39

According to OP her previous labour was very quick and this one was expected to be the same, that's why she wanted someone around.

I don't blame her for wanting her DH with her. My situation was different, I was induced, but it would have been even more awful without DH as I ended up feeling lied to and unsupported by the staff. And DH at least made sure I was given food afterwards!

But she worked until her due date, even though she was concerned about early fast labour?

Sorry but that’s odd!

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 19:47

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 11:02

But she wasn’t in labour - that’s the point. She had her elderly mum with her for two weeks, and when she needed a break, expected her FIL to cancel a pre-arranged event to be there instead.

I seem to have missed the part in womanhood where labour happens on a set schedule, for a set amount of time, making it easy to arrange your life around. The mother was there for two weeks because OP’s midwife advised her to have assistance available from 38 weeks of pregnancy and it so happened that the baby chose not to make an early appearance. The mother came to stay because she would be unable to travel to look after the older children - allowing the father the privilege of being at the birth (he’d missed the previous one for this very reason) and the mother the support of her husband being there - in time after labour had started, due to living a distance away. I realize there are some incredibly spectacular specimens of motherhood on this thread but I’d dare say that most if not all of you couldn’t accurately depict the date you would go into labour in advance.

None of this is the dramatic ‘entitled woman expects others to raise her children’ situation that some posters are moaning about. It was a one off incident for a very particular and special occasion. And yes, they had nine months to arrange this and they did in the form of the OP’s mother. Unfortunately that did go a bit wrong somewhere along the way, some of the details of which are a little bit confusing, granted, but then they quite sensibly came up with an alternative - which seems to have brought out the rabid feminist in some posters, completely ignoring the fact that the person they asked was… a man. Somehow it’s turned into the eternal ‘why are men so useless’ argument, a favourite of course on Mumsnet, never lurking far away.

I’m starting to feel like this is one of the weirdest threads I’ve ever read. Is it unreasonable to ask a man to care for his two grandchildren for a few hours so his son can attend the birth of the next grandchild? No, of course it fucking isn’t! Despite the attitude of the ‘well I gave birth all alone at home with my other four kids watching so that I didn’t have to ask for any help, and then I was back in the office 30 minutes later’ brigade. It really isn’t at all unreasonable to suggest close family might be able to lend a hand on such a singular occasion. And obviously said family is well within their rights to say ‘no, actually I’m washing my hair that night’ but in normal society that is just a bit mean spirited.

The OP’s further information about past family drama and the ensuing set to is not really relevant but does serve to further underline the very strong suggestion that Grandad is a bit of a cunt rather than painting a picture of modern society gone to hell in a handbasket because family dared to ask for help.

Ohmygodnotnow · 21/07/2025 19:54

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 23:08

How do you know his son hasn't taken after him?

His son was party to an elderly lady needing respite after a two week stay, because she was so knackered.

That's a 2 week stay with BOTH parents living in that house. She was only supposed to be there in case the OP went into labour during the night and they needed someone to mind the kids.

It's not a case of not giving up his evening, it sounds like a case of not wanting the piss taken out of him.

Maybe she stayed so long because OP went over her due date?

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 19:55

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 16:48

That isn't what most people are saying though. She has had her mothers help for two whole weeks, and has worn her out to the extent that mum now needs a rest from running after her daughter and her husband! So now she is demanding expecting her FIL to do her bidding and step up tyo help because she has worn out her own mother! And when he didn't, she has "hashed it out with him" and is wondering why her FIL isn't jumping to her tune. I can tell her why. So can many posters here. I am gobsmacked her mother is letting her (and her son-in-law) get away with being so entitled. Especially since she wore out her mother before actually having any childbirth, unpredictable or not. And paternity leave is for dad to step up and provide help with the recovery / other children. They don't give paternity leave to FIL's !

But paternity leave and ongoing care wasn’t the issue. No-one was arguing about that. The issue was labour itself. Just that. Not ongoing care. The difficulty comes in the fact that the exact moment of labour is not predictable, although some here clearly feel the OP should have planned that better…

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 21/07/2025 19:55

PorridgeAndSyrup · 21/07/2025 19:33

They obviously don't have anyone living close enough by that they could ring in the middle of the night to be there within an hour or so.

OP says they do, they just didn't actually bother to ask any of them.

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:07

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 09:00

I don't think you have read the same thread that I have because "grandmother" apeared to be working so hard for two whole weeks that she needed respite!

And bully for you living in Spain where grandmothers are expected to help out. Grandfathers, however, aren't expected to help out which is not entirely unexpected given the deep seated misogyny of so many Hispanic cultures.

In the UK, we aren't there yet, but we would prefer women aren't expected to do anything they can't or don't want to. It's called liberation.

Well actually grandfathers do tend to help with grandchildren here, very much. My mistake for writing grandmothers but it tends to be family as a whole. Grandparents, siblings, cousins etc. It’s a much more family focused society, an idea I thought horrendous when I was young but these days I can see the benefit to children of this sort of ‘village’ idea, as well as to parents. It works.

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:11

PluckyChancer · 21/07/2025 08:39

We had no help as both sets of parents were dead when we had kids and it was just the two of us.

Yes, I’ve seen other mum friends getting practical support and babysitting from their mum/MIL which is lovely but I do feel frustrated when they take their own parents for granted and expect them to still prioritise their adult child’s needs over their own, as you’re doing with your FIL.

It does smack of entitlement expecting your parents to always prioritise your needs as if you’re still the child.

Also, let’s stop with the ‘giving birth on my own’ nonsense. You’re hardly in the outback in a mud hut! You’ll be in hospital surrounded by medical professionals so why can’t your husband stay home with your younger children? I’m the only one who drives (partner now has sight problems), so when I need hospital care I either catch the bus to the hospital that’s 90 mins away or I ask good friends if they can give me a lift.

When my mum had me she caught a bus to the hospital when she went into labour and my dad was only interested in who was going to cook his dinner when he got home from work.

Thank God society has changed enough that we do now expect better from men than that! Your dad sounds awful, btw. I hope you’ve had some therapy for that.

WhatMyNameis · 21/07/2025 20:15

YABU.

Your birth is for you and your other half to work 'round. That's it.

Jumpers4goalposts · 21/07/2025 20:17

You seem to need a lot of support I think you are expecting/asking for too much. Your DH has to step up and look after your DC and be helpful around the house.

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:22

Jumpers4goalposts · 21/07/2025 20:17

You seem to need a lot of support I think you are expecting/asking for too much. Your DH has to step up and look after your DC and be helpful around the house.

OP’s husband should be helpful around the house… while she’s in labour?

Sadworld23 · 21/07/2025 20:30

Short version.

We live a fair distance from our families but my mum helps where she can despite serious illness.

As I was expecting DC3 we asked FIL to come over in case I needed to be at the hospital, he said no, too busy, tired, drunk, whatever.

Wybu to ask, no, whbu to refuse, no.
But don't resent him for it, or you'll get no help at all.
That village we all hope for doesn't exist if your folks aren't close. Even if they are local, there's no guarantees.

If childcare is a struggle I'd suggest looking at paid help.

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:38

Pinkissmart · 21/07/2025 17:55

Why didn't you just let your mum rest more?

Well to be fair the OP didn’t say her mother wanted a rest. Or that she was exhausted, knackered or worked to the bone or other hyperbole that previous posters have independently inserted into the narrative. She simply said that she and her husband thought the mother might like a break for the weekend and when pressed said that her mother had helped out around the house because she chose and wanted to. The idea of the mother in indentured servitude and at risk of keeling over comes from the other posters enjoying throwing poo at the OP.

Jumpers4goalposts · 21/07/2025 20:38

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:22

OP’s husband should be helpful around the house… while she’s in labour?

She said her mum was at her house being helpful for two weeks I’m pretty sure she was t in labor for two weeks.

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:46

Jumpers4goalposts · 21/07/2025 20:38

She said her mum was at her house being helpful for two weeks I’m pretty sure she was t in labor for two weeks.

But they weren’t looking for support with housework. They just wanted to make sure someone would be at the house to look after the older children so OP’s husband could be at the hospital with her! No, she wasn’t in labour for two weeks and if she’d known the exact date and time of the birth then her mother could have arranged around that but the OP’s midwife told her to have someone available from week 38 of pregnancy. Grandmother lives too far away to run over at short notice so she came to stay, to be there when labour occurred according to its natural timetable. Not because the OP wanted help with housework or child rearing. OP’s mother helped out with housework because that’s what nice, helpful mothers tend to do. Not because she was asked to, according to the OP.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 21:00

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 19:55

But paternity leave and ongoing care wasn’t the issue. No-one was arguing about that. The issue was labour itself. Just that. Not ongoing care. The difficulty comes in the fact that the exact moment of labour is not predictable, although some here clearly feel the OP should have planned that better…

Her mother was already there! No actual need for anyone else.

FloofyBird · 21/07/2025 21:11

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 20:38

Well to be fair the OP didn’t say her mother wanted a rest. Or that she was exhausted, knackered or worked to the bone or other hyperbole that previous posters have independently inserted into the narrative. She simply said that she and her husband thought the mother might like a break for the weekend and when pressed said that her mother had helped out around the house because she chose and wanted to. The idea of the mother in indentured servitude and at risk of keeling over comes from the other posters enjoying throwing poo at the OP.

Op literally said they felt her mum needed a rest/respite as she'd been dealing with all the household stuff whilst op did all the childcare and her dh was at work.

CommonAsMucklowe · 21/07/2025 21:12

You made your bed....

SarahLdn740 · 21/07/2025 21:21

We truly live in a shit world if we can’t ask family for help because we *made our bed”. So when FIL breaks his leg and needs someone to help him around the house, the OP will say she’s going to a party and really it’s just life/ other people don’t have anyone to help so he shouldn’t either. Awful.

Xyloplane · 21/07/2025 21:37

Applecrumble0110 · 21/07/2025 19:03

Well in my family personally my mum and sisters were counting down the days untill they could come. And the men in my life were brilliant also.

That’s great as long as it’s not an expectation, which it certainly is in a lot of cases. There seems to be a lot of instances of mothers being expected to provide additional domestic labour or childcare for their daughters due to useless SILs. I’ve seen it first hand-a man relying on two generations of women to facilitate his life. The fact that the OP still has not said exactly what her mother was doing for two weeks with both her and her husband in the house and still working that she ended being so exhausted she needed respite. That is very telling.

Digdongdoo · 21/07/2025 21:40

SarahLdn740 · 21/07/2025 21:21

We truly live in a shit world if we can’t ask family for help because we *made our bed”. So when FIL breaks his leg and needs someone to help him around the house, the OP will say she’s going to a party and really it’s just life/ other people don’t have anyone to help so he shouldn’t either. Awful.

A better equivalence would be FIL asking OP to come over just in case he breaks his leg...

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 21:55

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/07/2025 12:27

No Grandad himself didn't say that. The OP said that he said that. The OP clearly loves him to bits and has absolutely no axe to grind so we can depend on her to report everything accurately because she's the only unselfish person around. Abd he wasn't asked to support his son - he was asked to support his son'e wife's mother who was too fkd after running around after the OP and her entire family for two weeks.

Erm, yeah... That's what happens when someone makes a post on here. We only get one side to go off, and we have to take what is literally written as what has actually happened. Surely you're aware of that?

Or do you tell everyone they're lying about the truth of what happened on their posts? Lots of he said/she said posts kicking about. Or is it just when you reaaaaally really want to be right?

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 21:59

Digdongdoo · 21/07/2025 21:40

A better equivalence would be FIL asking OP to come over just in case he breaks his leg...

Yeah, if a doctor had told him that his leg was hanging on by a thread and was about to break in the next few days.

And then his son would be well within his rights to say "Sorry, I just really fancy getting proper pissed tonight, so no. Give me a shout 3 weeks after it breaks, might have time for you then"

Goingawayistricky · 21/07/2025 22:07

DonnyBurrito · 21/07/2025 21:59

Yeah, if a doctor had told him that his leg was hanging on by a thread and was about to break in the next few days.

And then his son would be well within his rights to say "Sorry, I just really fancy getting proper pissed tonight, so no. Give me a shout 3 weeks after it breaks, might have time for you then"

More like if FIL had 9 months to plan his third leg break (by choice) and had already had another family member over for 2 weeks before just to get everything ready.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 21/07/2025 22:19

BlankBlankBlank14 · 21/07/2025 19:45

But she worked until her due date, even though she was concerned about early fast labour?

Sorry but that’s odd!

This is the thing that I really don't get

It goes from "DM was helping around the house because I (OP) was doing childcare" and "I was worried I'd go into labour and give birth instantly"

To "well, no DM wasn't doing housework... and I was at work until I gave birth anyway"

It doesn't make sense