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Elephantiner · 2025-07-17T13:18:00+00:00

I cannot stand Diane Abbott, she has a lazy, patronising manner which riles me, but she has said that people visiblybof a different race (e.g. black people) experience a different sort of racism than those who’s race is not visually obvious (travellers, Jewish people etc). She has a point, doesn’t she? Am I missing something here? Obviously all types of racism are utterly abhorrent.

Dangermoo · 21/07/2025 20:04

Thanks for posting that @sharonellis. Not only is she doubling down on her antisemitism, but to do so in the current climate, should see her banished from politics altogether. It is a thoughtless and irresponsible statement to make -no empathy from her, whatsoever.

SharonEllis · 21/07/2025 20:07

Dangermoo · 21/07/2025 20:04

Thanks for posting that @sharonellis. Not only is she doubling down on her antisemitism, but to do so in the current climate, should see her banished from politics altogether. It is a thoughtless and irresponsible statement to make -no empathy from her, whatsoever.

She can't be that stupid, so it must be calculated. I think its quite chilling that she would do such a thing at the moment. And for others to dismiss it, or worse, agree, and dress it up in anti-racist rhetoric is sickening.

Dangermoo · 21/07/2025 20:13

It's insidious antisemitism. The players try to discredit and manipulate. Different players, same tactics.

SharonEllis · 21/07/2025 20:30

Lavenderflower · 21/07/2025 19:53

To be honest, I haven’t seen the comment or criticism you’re referencing and even if I had, I likely wouldn’t have given it much weight. I'm not sure why you feel the need to highlight the differences between us, especially when, from my perspective, there are no meaningful similarities to begin with.
From the way you've spoken about mixed-race identity, it seems your understanding may be limited to individuals born in the UK parents with possibly with two, visibly distinct racial background.

In contrast, mixed-race heritage in communities such as those from South America and the Caribbean is often far more complex and layered. In those contexts, mixed heritage can include Black, Jewish, Indian, Chinese, Syrian, and various European ancestries sometimes all within a single-family line. Among those ancestries are both sephardic Jews* *, who fled persecution during the Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions, and Ashkenazi Jewsi, who arrived under different historical conditions. Individuals can both national and ethnic identities; they identify with the both the country they are from as well as their ethnic origins. These distinct histories shape cultural identity in ways that may be completely unfamiliar to you.

This is why someone like you regardless of how you identify will likely have a worldview and lived experience that are worlds apart from mine. This isn’t a personal attack, but rather a recognition of how structural, historical, and cultural context shapes our differences. Your response only reinforces that reality.
Don't worry about mixed heritage or identity. It may be more constructive for you to reflect on your own experiences, rather than attempting to define or discredit mine.

As you are likely aware, mixed-race identity encompasses a wide spectrum of backgrounds and lived experiences. While I don’t always agree with every poster in this discussion, I can usually understand how their perspectives have been shaped. In your case, however, I neither relate to nor fully understand the approach you're taking and that, too, says a great deal.

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She's got Jamaican heritage! So she might know a bit about the Caribbean. I don't think I have read a more condescending post on here. Why are you so determined to sow division?

Longingdreamer · 21/07/2025 21:16

Frummie · 21/07/2025 15:54

A halachic Jew is one who is born of a Jewish mother or who has converted via an Orthodox Beth Din. This is pretty much the standard across the board, and even Israel only recognises Orthodox conversions.

Please leave defining Jewishness to the (practicing) Jews.

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The irony is that as per your own Halachic definition, there are Jews who are non-practising. Children born of a Jewish mother are Jewish, regardless of their level of religious practice. You are therefore acknowledging that there are secular Jews.

Your comments are unhelpful and unnecessarily divisive.

Oshio · 22/07/2025 00:34

SharonEllis · 21/07/2025 20:07

She can't be that stupid, so it must be calculated. I think its quite chilling that she would do such a thing at the moment. And for others to dismiss it, or worse, agree, and dress it up in anti-racist rhetoric is sickening.

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I might be crazy, but I think it's partly that the corbynite crew are inherently antisemitic (and completely blind to it) but also that they blame Jews for him losing the election. I personally think she's deliberately trying to cause pain. I find it impossible to believe she's that ignorant. Her borough has a massive Jewish population and the second highest rate of antisemitic hate crimes in the country of any constituency.

HelenaWaiting · 22/07/2025 01:16

Lavenderflower · 21/07/2025 19:53

To be honest, I haven’t seen the comment or criticism you’re referencing and even if I had, I likely wouldn’t have given it much weight. I'm not sure why you feel the need to highlight the differences between us, especially when, from my perspective, there are no meaningful similarities to begin with.
From the way you've spoken about mixed-race identity, it seems your understanding may be limited to individuals born in the UK parents with possibly with two, visibly distinct racial background.

In contrast, mixed-race heritage in communities such as those from South America and the Caribbean is often far more complex and layered. In those contexts, mixed heritage can include Black, Jewish, Indian, Chinese, Syrian, and various European ancestries sometimes all within a single-family line. Among those ancestries are both sephardic Jews* *, who fled persecution during the Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions, and Ashkenazi Jewsi, who arrived under different historical conditions. Individuals can both national and ethnic identities; they identify with the both the country they are from as well as their ethnic origins. These distinct histories shape cultural identity in ways that may be completely unfamiliar to you.

This is why someone like you regardless of how you identify will likely have a worldview and lived experience that are worlds apart from mine. This isn’t a personal attack, but rather a recognition of how structural, historical, and cultural context shapes our differences. Your response only reinforces that reality.
Don't worry about mixed heritage or identity. It may be more constructive for you to reflect on your own experiences, rather than attempting to define or discredit mine.

As you are likely aware, mixed-race identity encompasses a wide spectrum of backgrounds and lived experiences. While I don’t always agree with every poster in this discussion, I can usually understand how their perspectives have been shaped. In your case, however, I neither relate to nor fully understand the approach you're taking and that, too, says a great deal.

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I felt the need to highlight the differences between us because you claimed that people were criticising you because you are mixed race - a wholly disingenuous claim when the reasons for the criticism were very clear. My parents were not born in the UK, and neither was I. How you can pronounce that so high-handedly is beyond me. You're pretty clueless.

Dangermoo · 22/07/2025 08:30

Oshio · 22/07/2025 00:34

I might be crazy, but I think it's partly that the corbynite crew are inherently antisemitic (and completely blind to it) but also that they blame Jews for him losing the election. I personally think she's deliberately trying to cause pain. I find it impossible to believe she's that ignorant. Her borough has a massive Jewish population and the second highest rate of antisemitic hate crimes in the country of any constituency.

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I don't think you're crazy at all. In fact, I think you've just hit the nail on the head 👏