To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

[WhereIsMyJumper]

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

Why do we need immigrants? We have 9 million people out of work.

You continue to fund mass immigration if you want but working class people should have a tax refund if they don't want to contribute to this absolute shambles

Keir Starmer is useless and corrupt.

Where has the 50 billion gone we gave to France?

It’s 1.7 million out of work, not 9 million. We haven’t given France £50 billion either. You seem to have trouble with numbers.

@Yellowshirt

Could you provide a source for those numbers

Yes sorry I got my numbers wrong.
478 million pounds was given to France 3 years a go. So that's perfectly fine. Money well spent hay.
9.27 million inactive people though of working age . So I think you may also be struggling with numbers.

@Ted27 . Happy?

@Yellowshirt

That does not mean that 9.2 million people are unemployed
Since when did we count 16 -18 year olds in school as unemployed?
Ditto students
I'm 60, not in a job and not looking for one. Im not unemployed and I dont claim benefits. Lots of people like me

I can only assume that the bleeding hearts on this thread live in a ‘naive’ area and not in a city and therefore can’t see what’s going on with their own eyes.

yet.

@Ted27 . OK just ignore the article and make up your own numbers on inactive adults. What's your estimate then? Maybe a couple of thousand.

@Yellowshirt

Im not making any numbers up

Economically inactive is not the same as being unemployed.
A 16 year old in school is not an adult They may be economically inactive but they cannot be said to be unemployed.
Im busy supporting the economy by spending my pension. I may look for a job at some point in the next year or so, may not. Don't need one at the moment.

Different issues. Different numbers

Totally batshit. Doesn't he realise that if you add one,then take away one,you're left with exactly the same amount? So how is it going to make any difference?

@BoredZelda Thank you. Marries with my experience.
Use your brains folks! The objectithe of this scheme is to make the option of paying £££ for a place on a dodgy boat even less attractive by linking it to automatic and permanent refusal of entry, and to create a new legal option for those most in need. The benefit to the French would be to reduce the attraction of would -be boatees to Northern France and the political issues created by the very visible migrant camps.
lt might be more about preventing needless deaths than a serious bid to reduce numbers coming via this route, but im ok with that. Focus instead on legal migration if you want numbers down
I'm sceptical, but I hope the trial works.

@Ted27 . It shows how out of touch your generation is if you think 16/17 age children are not under pressure to get at least a part time job in this current climate.

This country is being destroyed through uncontrolled immigration, high taxes, extortionate house prices and ridiculous cost of living .

@Yellowshirt
I can assure you that being 60 does not mean I am out of touch.

I haven't said anything in my posts about children needing part time jobs or not.

My point was that there is a difference between being economically inactive and being unemployed.

For your information, I have a 21 year old son with ASD. He is in his second year at uni. He has worked since he was 14, at 16 he had two jobs.

I come from a very working class family, everything I have, which is a very modest bog standard victorian terrace I've worked for, no bank of mum and dad here, no inheritance. Just what I've worked for.
I'm choosing not to work at the moment because I'm having to do a 300 miles round trips every week to support my mother who is in failing health. I've been supporting my next door neighbour who has seriously mental health issues for years, including doing her PIP applications which she has now just lost.
Most of my friends have children with ASD/ADHD, the really lucky ones have bi polar. My world is one of ill health, physical and mental, and people battling to get support for their children.

I will return to work as a foster carer in the next few months so that I can help my son with a house deposit because he hasn't got a chance of owning his own home unless I do.
So don't presume to tell me I'm out of touch when you know nothing about my life

Well, we know who to thank for that... didn't just happen in the last 12 months did it?

& not only that but what we do pay through the nose for is usually of very poor quality - we get ripped off at every opportunity.

Easier to blame immigrants, a tale as old as time

Phew so the biometric tests will be conducted apparently and if someone has tried to claim asylum twice it's instant refusal and id cards are back on the table to stop black market illegal working.

At long last.

Once these measures are in place they can go further. Mind boggling it's never been done already when these things are up and running elsewhere.

It's not "blame".really. It's just how much they cost the country unnecessarily. The figures are public although I expect there are many more costs on top.

Also now they are planning v to build on GB in Hertfordshire and it is awful for the wild life and environment. Roads which are terrible at best if times in the area.

they go in and on about being carbon neutral but how is this constant influx of people making it any better

what is the point of one in, one out. I’d rather they stopped it all together

That is a government decision. Brexit, the Rwanda plan cost more than we pay France, using hotel rooms, again a government decision, not allowed to work, again. You get my drift.

so yes, blaming immigration. The horror of spending money on providing basic needs for 'fighting age men'

Fiscal impacts of migration represent less than 1% of GDP.

To me it’s about a chaotic, insecure, unvetted system that enables criminals and vast profits. And it’s expensive. It’s prioritising those who can deal with that system.

There’s better ways to deal with border control and security, plus have humanitarian programmes.

Country is on a knife edge now. What hope is there?

Less than 1% of GDP better spent elsewhere.please.

@suburburban agree re carbon neutral and ruining green belt for this that we don't want or need

@EasternStandard i read earlier today they are going to start biometric vetting

It should be set up along that coast really. And I'd cards

Wait till you find out the cost of Brexit.

Ofcourse this small boat outrage suits Mr Brexit and his supporters very well.