To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

[WhereIsMyJumper]

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

I know what they’ve said. I’ve read it multiple times and the poster came back and clarified what they meant. Which is making a threat to do something and not actually doing it.

She, nor I, are advocating for boat loads of people to be drowned or shot at. If that’s the only alternative to stop the boats, actually killing asylum seekers en route to the UK, I would actually prefer we just let them in. NOTHING is worth killing innocent people en masse. Not even in the name of ‘protecting our borders’

But this isn’t the only answer. There is a lot of nuance here that you’ve missed. Personally, I’d rather the UK didn’t actively destabilise these countries in the first place so they had no need to flee. But it’s already happened. So what can be done? Perhaps we could actually talk about that, a way that is humane and doesn’t endanger human life but that also doesn’t allow thousands of undocumented migrants to enter the country.

Or would you prefer to just keep calling us racist and trying to convince yourself we want them dead?

Which I think is starting to happen anyway?

The French may vote in similar first. It’s an RN pledge, well their version no invading.

That is true TBF. Macron can't run again at least not this time. So could well be Le Pen. In which case Farage/Le Pen will be in charge.

@Quirkswork Yes, I saw the footage of them doing it. Nobody was harmed. It still broke my heart to see a little girl who was on board crying her eyes out. It was absolutely heartbreaking. She wasn’t harmed. Just traumatised, poor thing.

Maybe the answer is the old traditional ‘women and children only’?

I saw some footage of a mother and her two children who were from Eritrea and they were camping nearby trying to get on one of the boats. They wouldn’t let them on because it was packed full of men. And do you think any of them did the decent thing and gave up their places so they could get on board? No, of course not.

Let’s bring back the Rwanda scheme, the men who rip up their documents won’t want to end up there.

Why wouldn’t they want to end up in Rwanda, out of interest?

It's usually this kind of persons modus operandi unfortunately. They resort to sensationalism when things don't go their way

And when I post something that makes it absolutely clear that I value the lives of those migrants OVER policing our borders, and that it would be worthwhile to try and talk about what could be done that doesn’t cause harm but doesn’t allow them all to come in via illegal routes, they go very quiet because they’re disappointed that they can no longer call me a racist.
No debate, no conversation, nothing useful to add. Just pointless name calling.

The scheme that after 3 years failed to send back a single migrant, that scheme?
Oh and cost almost 1 billion in costs, mostly spent building accommodation, that Rwanda has now sold off.....

Glowing success.

@WhereIsMyJumper exactly

Why not prioritise women and children ??

Unfortunatly if 90% on boats are men then it's self promoting themselves isn't it .

There are so many things that can be done at the same time

'What happens when the French just tow them back? as they almost certainly would?' Tow them back again! Why is it not already considered an act of war when the French have been turning a blind eye and in some cases escorting these men over to us!

'You would cause an international incident of huge proportions, 2 NATO members at near war with each other.... the EU would of course take sides Absolutely dramatic that you think other Europeans countries would want a war with us over securing our own borders. You really need to stop with the doomsday scare tactics and hypotheticals

Then you're onto the even more dramatic scenario of murder. Have I once suggested that?

'is that what you want the UK to become?' Well I certainly don't like what we have already become. No Drs appointments, a disgraceful waste of money that should be going to better use and of course the skyrocketing number of SA, harassment and rape.

The fact women on here are not irate about this baffles me. Last time I had a night out with my friends a group of foreign men harassed us. My sister was harassed last month by 2 foreign men in broad day light and some builders who witnessed it had to see them off! What is the world coming to when you are relying on the most notorious cat callers to defend you from catcallers! A foreign taxi driver asked my other sister on date in front of her two sons recently too! I'm more than sick of it.

Yes Alexandra because we talk to much in the UK ,we should have had swift action and human rights lawyers making a mint out of all this !!

Remember the plane intervention to save the poor rapist who looked like an all right bloke to his fellow plane passenger!!

@GreenGully which I guess would be another argument in favour of the ‘women and children only’ suggestion? I’ll admit, I haven’t thought that one through. But surely it would be an improvement on the current situation.

It really helps a discussion if you read what people are saying. I haven't called people racist. It's making a threat to drown people by deflating their boats to act as a deterrent. I'm responding to what people are saying in the thread and which you're pretending not to see. That's why you're being disingenuous as you know perfectly well that threats to endanger life have been made.

That's another fabrication and as for the name calling, you're the one using liberal as a pejorative.

So you’re going to ignore the rest of what I have posted as you’re more interested in labouring your weak point than actually discussing the topic at hand? Ok then.

Do you not consider yourself liberal then?

What point?

I’m tired of arguing about the argument. It’s pointless. I’d rather just discuss the actual topic itself.

That wasn't the point being made as you know.

Well said, all of it.

Same old story. This type is just desperate to prove a realistic persons problem is actually with brown and black people, and when it's presented very clearly that it isn't the case , they throw their toys out of the pram. If you dare to give examples of genuine immigrants that you have close association with to back up your point , the it's accused of being fabricated. Can't win with this type. They just hate not being able to call you a racist.

HR Lawyers? I had no idea they make up the laws of the land.....

Sorry but all they do is present an argument to a Judge/s, who act within laws set out by Parliament.

Successive Govts have had varying degrees of majorities, at anytime they could change these laws or pull out of international treaties.

They have chosen not too, this is not down to HR lawyers.....

The case you mention?
We had 5 years to change the law, WE chose not too, incidentally all happened under a Tory Govt....

Then stop making snide remarks and derailing the thread.