To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

[WhereIsMyJumper]

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

Soooo anyway, back to the actual topic at hand…

IMO there needs to be both a long term and a short term solution that most people can get behind. I don’t think priorisitng women and children as a short term solution is a terrible idea? Happy to have it constructively criticised though. Starmer’s idea doesn’t feel like a solution to me.

'Realistic' - you're funny. As for the rest, you've obviously run out of ideas after your drowning 'deterrent'.

What would that involve?

Your attitude is proving my point. We're getting out the insult flinging now. Carry on

This is actually a good question.

I’ve only just been thinking about it so not entirely sure how it would be policed. If there was a fair way we could only allow the boats to bring in women and children, and not causing harm or loss of life in the process, would you be in favour of it? As a short term solution?

It is a deterrent though, I think if anyone thought they’d end up there they’d behave as others did and leave UK for ROI

It's not a solution, it is a start.

Even if this deal only returns 50 people, it is 50 more than the Tories managed (or the recently elected Reform councillors)

Blame Brexit and the ones selling the lies.

My DD, at 18yo was cat called and verbally assaulted by white British men working on a building site near her 'halls...whats your point?

Men can be vile, we all know that... but a nice attempt at pretending all migrants are scum.

You think using the RN to escort migrants back into French waters is a good idea?
You think France wouldn't retaliate, that the EU and France wouldn't put trade and economic sanctions on the UK.... as almost happened during Covid when we decided to do our own thing.

They definitely would... the public demand to do this would be overwhelming, esp with Le Pen ahead in the 'polls.

This just shows how ridiculous & stupid the debate has now become, the lack of being able to think through actions is completely missing in some posters.

Why is that good? You’re just swapping people.

And as the French rightly don’t want our selection imposed on them they should say no.

Brexit is just an excuse. Not having similar in the EU hadn’t stopped their migration issues.

They remain in and already five countries speak up against a family connection plan. Of course they do, it would push migrants back to first entry countries.

Safe routes are good, we are not closing the borders to refugees.

I want to stop the boats, not stop people seeking safety here.

That could kill the deal stone dead.... in which case, numbers will just keep coming, no one has any other plan, certainly not one within any realistic timescale ie this year.

Not according to Philp and Stride....

They were both very clear Brexit has hampered returns to France.

You can have safe routes but only by using methods that work on irregular ones.

Within the law that means a safe country. Aus has humanitarian programmes, it doesn’t have boats as pp said.

People just need to vote for similar which is the sticking point.

Brexit is not an excuse, Brexit is an important factor in the rise of small boat crossings.

This is likely the only time you’ll quote someone not Labour and say they’re right. Certainly the only tories.

Show me an EU country who has not had Brexit and how they’ve resolved their migrant issue. I’m happy to hear it.

Immigrants are three times more likely to commit sexual crime. That is a fact!
You may be ok with overlooking that but I am not. It's an outrage.

'You think France wouldn't retaliate, that the EU and France wouldn't put trade and economic sanctions on the UK..' IDGAF at this point. Why haven't we put sanctions on them for escorting these people here?

You can't talk of stupidity when you are seemingly ok with unvetted illegal men entering our country. How does that not bother you as a woman, especially if you have a daughter? Baffling.

And for the rest of the EU? What is their resolution to the same issues?

No party is offering an Australia type plan, not even Reform, its just not an option for the UK, no country wants to take 10s of 1000s of migrants, regardless of the bribes given.

Its just hot air.

Of course they will. It’s already been said as the way they’ll go.

Just some mners who will oppose any suggestion.

@Alexandra2001

It's just hot air

Absolutey ,everything we say is hot air here on MN because it's a chat forum ?

We are not in the house debating this ?

We have no power to action anything we say here except through who we eventually vote for

I think people are concerned as in reality it’s the only country who has countered the problem within the laws as they are.

The main barrier so far has been voters. You can trace why to many of these threads. But when people do get fed up they’ll vote and give the mandate for a similar system.

The French might do something earlier too.

All countries in the EU have issues with asylum seekers, the UK's issues have been made bigger thanks to Brexit.

Small boat crossings started after Brexit.

Ignoring Brexit as a factor is naive but it benefits Farage and co to do so.

I want workable solutions, not wish lists, practical solutions that will work, co-op between European countries, sch as now is starting to happen.

My DD works in the NHS, the people she has to be fearful of, are drunk white men, aggressive white relatives of patients, usually men.

She works with many migrants inc a migrant who came over on a boat, given asylum, is now a skilled Physio assistant.

My own Mum was treated by a Syrian stroke specialist who had come in to the UK on a lorry.....

Given most white men kill almost 3 women a week in the UK, i focus on the real dangers not imaginary ones.

Why haven't we put sanctions on France? Do you think it would stop there? who is the junior partner in this relationship? the UK or the EU ?

The very first thing France would do is call open season on boat crossings... its estimated they stop around 50% of attempts, most upstream, away from the coast.... similar across the EU.

Even @EasternStandard has said France does stop a lot of crossings.....

Peak asylum was 2002 pre Brexit. Just via lorries, until people died and there was outcry.