To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

I don't want my taxes going to any hotels. Send them home immediately and start fixing the country.
That money would better spent on working class people and pensioners struggling to afford everyday life and even the most basic living standards .

Could also incentivise armed service recruitment. Guaranteed acceptance or a period of mandated national service.

I agree. Nobody is attempting to come here for shits and giggles. Nor for a tenner a week and soggy cheese sandwiches. When your best option is to make this journey (and the boat is only the last bit of a pretty horrific journey) what is your worst option?

The best thing the government could do is fast track the applications of those asylum seekers already here, letting the ones who have a right to remain become economically active and start paying tax, returning those who do not have a right to remain, which will cut down the ongoing bill for accommodation. Then the tiny number who come in on the boats can be quickly dealt with and it’s no longer an issue. Sadly, this will not be seen as acceptable because Reform voters just don’t want those brown people in our Country. (They were happy enough for the Ukrainians to come) They can shout about numbers and doctors and schools and being full etc, but guess what? The area I live in has very little immigration and yet we still have schools which are full and can’t get a doctor’s appointment.

You don't think risking your life in a flimsy inflatable is enough of a disincentive?

I agree. I'm so sad for our country.

Obviously not

Not when you think the streets are paved with gold. (And the women are easy 😒)

Everything to do with illegal immigration - housing them while their applications are heard, policing the costs, etc. costs a fortune and clearly isn't working for anyone - the asylum seekers are left in limbo in pretty grim living conditions and not allowed to work.

wouldn't it be a million times cheaper, easier and fairer to just hire a lot more people to process applications asap? With the further advantage that jobs = tax payers? if you fail you can appeal, as now, but you have to come to a local centre to get the appeal decision in person, if it's a no that's it, you're put on a boat/plane and deported straight away.

How many and up in hotels and how many slip away info the sub economy info cash in hand jobs ,delivery drivers ,car wash ,Turkish barbers etc

Tiny number coming on boats? Are you joking?

You're lucky that your area has very little immigrants. If you had more, you might change your tune.

@PickAChew the success rate is very high and they are often saved by British boatd half way.
If they started taking them back to France there and then instead...

Never a truer word spoken. If they were so worried of risking their lives on a flimsy boat, they'd have stayed in one of the safe countries they came to on their journey. We're too generous. That's why they're coming here, and that generosity, is courtesy of us, the tax payers.

France is a much bigger country too. We're a tiny island. Maybe they should have an offshore processing centre.

@BoredZelda is that because of the previous wave of immigration from Europe ?

Services around me have taken years to absorb it all,huge blow to the country and blairs worst legacy.

@ PickAChew
“You don't think risking your life in a flimsy inflatable is enough of a disincentive?”

Clearly not, if 21,000 have come already this year. And every single last one of them have come from France, a safe country, so absolutely no need - but we’re a softer touch; we don’t have ID cards so they can disappear into the black economy, and our activist human rights lawyers ensure that we grant leave to remain (often on spurious grounds) to more than France or Germany. I know I’m not alone in resenting bitterly the amount of taxpayers’ money it’s costing, money that could be so much better spent elsewhere. The refugee convention was written for very different times and is no longer fit for purpose.

It’s a farcical charade. Pointless window dressing to try to convince people that the government is ‘cracking down’ when they have absolutely no intention of doing anything of the sort.

Allowing uncontrolled mass immigration is actual U.K. government policy. It doesn’t matter which party is in power, or what the politicians say publicly, the policy doesn’t change. And the reason for that is that the U.K. economy has been addicted to unlimited cheap migrant labour for the past 25 years.

More than 9 million people between the ages of 16 & 64 are economically inactive in the UK (source : U.K labour market statistics), costing the taxpayer £billions every week in benefits.

That leaves vast gaps to be filled in sectors such as hospitality, care, retail, distribution etc doing the sort of mundane unskilled work which British people reject in favour of easier lives on generous benefits. Those gaps are filled by migrants and the functioning of the economy depends on them. Ending mass immigration would cause a serious recession, shortages in shops and nobody to staff care homes. Politicians know this, and they know that admitting it would lead to riots and probably insurrection. So the farcical charade continues.

In fairness, the journeys are glamorised via social media by the gangs on what are basically advertising videos. In agree "detention camps" aren't likely to be a disincentive unless they were really really awful. And.this awfulness would need to be very public and advertised to people still in France. I think even the people complaining about the small boats would lose their stomach for it. The last time the UK (well Cecil Rhodes mostly) did concentration camps was.in South Africa and public opinion was outraged- it led to a landslide defeat of the conservative party. I dont want to live in a country which would accept that. Plus it would trash our.rwputation.

Advertising the dangers of the journey would work - it is being done in Albania. And people who successfully got to the UK and then were returned could actually work better as a visible disincentive than merely reports of people failing.

We need to get tougher and stop the incentives. They know they're going to end up in a hotel room, get free food and spending money each week.

I think also that people need to be told how the reproductive restrictions in the US has meant a stop in contraceptive aid across the world. It should be a priority for all charities. There's parts of the world becoming uninhabitable, some have the highest birth rates (and then infant mortality rates). People 'don't see what the fuss is', but, climate wise, the UK is one if the most attractive countries in the world. We will become over crowded. I know that the population is aged and that's a issue, but so is rising population numbers, in general. All migration needs to be looked at. We've demonised women, in the UK, for decades who are having babies, to multiple fathers, without jobs etc, yet continuing to have babies knowing that you'll need to flee were you live, or absolutely can't sustain them, is accepted. Once asylum seekers are processed, they are seen as homeless, which means there's so many homeless that social/affordable, stable housing is unreachable for people who aren't in homeless hostels.

100%

I've said it before and I'll say it again. ..

If you're fleeing persecution and your children and wives lives are in danger, you do not bypass a whole host of safe neighboring European first world civilised countries to get across a known choppy watered dangerous channel to reach the UK. It's staggeringly naïve to think otherwise.

The excuses the do gooders harm to society causers try to scrape the barrel to muster.

"Well they might prefer an English speaking country. Do they not have an agency of choice ?"

If you're literally running for your life : NO.

You're being chased by a maniac : do you run in the first safe house or do you keep running a few streets up to find one with a more appealing looking front door ?

It’s basically a way of opening up the borders even more under the pretence of stopping the boats. Disingenuous at best and outright lying at worst.

Everyone knows that most asylum seekers are economic migrants, which is fine in a way, you’d do the same if you could. But it’s a lie that most a genuine asylum seekers.

Rather than deporting back to country of origin, this ‘scheme’ just replaces one person with another. About it does nothing to reduce the numbers and creates en even bigger pull factor. Anyone can say they have family connections in the UK, after all there are millions of documented and undocumented asylum seekers here already and if you a apply a multiplier on how many relatives they could have, it would result in tens of millions being able to get in. And how would anyone know if they are lying about someone being a relative. After all, our ‘authorities’ can’t tell men in their 30s apart from children, good luck relying on them to tell whether someone is genuinely related to someone here.

The whole thing is a complete disaster. Immigration will be more out of control than it already. The numbers now will look tiny compared to what they will be in the future.

Creating more support for Reform.

We can’t send them home immediately. That would be against international law.

“That money” is estimated as £9 billion. Sounds a lot for sure. But when you consider that we will spend £1200 billion in the U.K. in 2025 that’s 0.75%.

To put it in to context, if we spread that money across the 68.3 million people living in the U.K., that’s about £130 quid each. We spend £220 billion on pensions in the U.K. If we took the whole of that £9 billion and gave it just to pensioners, it would increase the pension by less than £5 a week. That isn’t solving anyone’s problems.

£9 billion will not “fix the country”, it won’t even touch the sides.

Instead unlimited mass immigration is causing incomes and living standards to drop.

First the ever shrinking number of working people and net contributors pay for this or already here to not work. Then they support those coming in, since those coming in are not net contributors. The Ponzi scheme will eventually collapse on itself. After creating massive cultural and social polarisation.

Agree I think it’s all about fast tracking the applications. If everything is considered there should be no appeal process and people deported as illegals. I also think the definition of asylum needs to be refined. When I lived in Tottenham we had post accidentally sent to our address giving people advice on how to claim through lies. What to say and how to lie to their benefit. It opened my eyes and I am very critical now of how we as a country manage the processing of individuals. I’m not 100% in favour of Australias system but it’s worked better than most.

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