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To think that most parents find saying ‘no’ to children very difficult?

306 replies

Mumbletoomuch · 06/07/2025 20:41

I’m struggling with the fact my very reasonable friends seem incapable or scared of saying no to their children.

Child wants to eat the last homemade cupcake (second helping) when everyone else has had one? Of course. Just eats the icing off and wastes the rest? Just laughs it off

Child has friends over to play but wants to watch telly for hours straight? Meaning the play date is a TV marathon? Of course

Child wants huge monster slushy at a birthday party, when the hosts have provided squash? Of course. Many other children then start whining at their parents for the same? Of course

Child wants to role play with parent while they’re having a conversation with a friend? Of course. This means the adult conversation is disjointed and pointless, not a problem.

I’ve become self-conscious about how many boundaries and ‘no’ I give to my children, or if it is legitimately annoying and lazy parenting. We go on holidays, we do fun things, I play with them, we watch TV, they eat sweets, but I say no to a lot during the day. I would say no or boundary set in all the above examples.

AIBU?

OP posts:
GoAwayNaughtyPigeon · 07/07/2025 09:01

I say no to my DD all the time 😂 but my DP were too strict I think and I remember never being allowed any treats or anything special as a child, so not as much as them. I think we have a happy medium where we encourage good behaviour with appropriate rewards, but I don't give her whatever she wants just because she throws a tantrum over it. But it's important to me that DD is acknowledged if she's been really well behaved/polite/whatever. For eg she was very good at the shoe shop yesterday when having her feet measured, trying on various shoes to find ones that would fit her short, wide and chubby feet etc, so she got to play on the (free) softplay in the mall afterwards

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/07/2025 09:03

Sheepsheeps · 06/07/2025 20:50

I cannot abide parents letting their children interrupt adult conversations! It's so rude and all it does is teach the child that the world revolves around them!
And people wonder why their children have problems adapting to real life once they leave school ......

Not to mention having problems doing as they’re told AT school.

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2025 09:04

YANBU. It’s just weak useless parenting.

It’s a grown adult who can’t deal with the responsibilty of parenting so they don’t. They indulge. And tell themselves that their indulgency is evidence of how much they love their kid, however obnoxious and bratty they’ve been allowed to be.

Thankfully for this kind of kid, if they’re not ironed out by year 7, their peer group will most certainly do it for them.

Blurrywateryeye · 07/07/2025 09:04

Only weak parents have a problem saying no. Can imagine they’ll be having a whole load of issues in the future.

Blobbitymacblob · 07/07/2025 09:06

I tend to be a bit more lax in certain situations, eg family gatherings where some relatives have a way of winding the kids up to 90, and grandma is main lining them sugar. I turn a blind eye to things that will trigger a big reaction because once I start, I need to see it through to the end.

Similarly with friends, sometimes I’m just trying wring a little more precious time with my friend, conscious that I have a tired and bored child.

There are times when “no” is going to precipitate a nuclear reaction, and while I might be fine with that, other people won’t be. And there are times when the reason a child’s resilience is teetering on a knife edge is because I haven’t been mindful of their valid needs, prioritising my own desire to spend time with a friend, and it isn’t fair to turn that into a discipline issue.

None of that is an indication of how I parent behind closed doors, or in situations where the odds aren’t stacked.

Brokenclavicle653 · 07/07/2025 09:11

Agree with you wholeheartedly op.

It’s much easier to say “yes” than stick to a boundary or take the time to teach a child why a certain behaviour is undesirable. And put up with their whinging afterwards.

And I can’t stand parents who think their angel somehow is so special that they should evade the rules to the detriment of everyone else,

I had to reluctantly end one of my DD’s friendships ( they were both about five at the time) because I strongly disagreed with the way this friend was being parented and let’s just say, I didn’t blame the child.

I didn’t see myself as my child’s friend when they were younger, although I tried to be friendly, I was their parent. It was my job to teach them about how to treat themselves and others.

Now they are adults, we have moved much more in to the friendship zone and it’s so lovely, one of the best bits of parenting, but I still say I disagree with something if I am invited to comment. (Otherwise I keep my trap firmly shut 😀)

As Michelle Obama said, so much about parenting is saying “no” and many parents are unprepared for that. You have to have the self confidence as a parent not to be popular with your dc sometimes.

The comedian Jimmy Carr (can’t stand him but …) also spoke about this in an interview and basically said it’s your prerogative whether you give in to your child’s demands for sweets, let them avoid doing homework, and buy them presents whenever they demand it, but then don’t complain if you end up with fat, spoilt, ignorant children. (Or words to that effect.) In other words, you are saying “no” not for the sake of it, but for their long-term benefit.

Good parents take the time and trouble to say “no” and explain why, because it’s ultimately for the good of the child and the rest of society if that child is taught to take other people’s perspectives in to account. No man is an island. If you want your child to have friends and thrive in society, then teach them basic manners and how to share and behave reasonably fhs! You do them a disservice if you don’t!

Trying to get the balance right between still saying “no” but not being too negative and destroying your child’s self-confidence, or your relationship, is one of the hardest aspects of parenting I think. You have to, while saying no, still try to develop their self-esteem and their independent judgement. And of course keep reminding them of how loved they are. It’s far from easy.

I am not going to be popular saying this, but I think all of the above has become much harder for parents when their working hours have increased. If you only have an hour or so at the end of the working day to engage with your child, you are much more likely to want that engagement to be pleasant and not ruin it by putting in a boundary.

Similarly, weekends and holidays seem to have become an endless succession of outings and trips where dc are indulged because parents feel guilty for not being with their dc enough during the working week.

Another issue is parents using screens as baby-sitters for similar reasons.

As a result, some kids have yet to learn what it is like to stay at home, be bored, rely on their own imagination, creativity and inner resources to entertain themselves and each other, and eat an ordinary meal at an ordinary dining table without screens.

It’s scandalous that the UK has some of the longest working hours in the continent of Europe.

And lastly, there are far too many dads who have left altogether and avoided taking responsibility for parenting their dc, and far also far too many “fun” Disney dads who see it as their job to be popular with their kids and referee between mum and the dc, rather than being a team player and backing up their wife and partner to hold boundaries. And yes that’s a very sexist way of putting it, because both sexes are equally responsible for parenting, and boundary-setting, but in reality the mother often ends up doing the lion’s share (hopefully the balance is improving) or certainly has during the very early years,

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 09:12

LimitedBrightSpots · 06/07/2025 21:16

There's a difference between being afraid to say no, and having different boundaries from other parents.

I'm happy to say no, but I also allow a lot of things that maybe other parents wouldn't. So you might think I'm a lax/useless parent, but the reality is that your boundary is not necessarily my boundary. And that's fine, so long as we're all tolerant enough to understand that different people parent differently. Of course there is a core of unacceptable behaviour, like hitting etc., and I find I'm busy quite often if invited to spend time with parents who can't deal with bad behaviour that directly affects others.

Exactly this. Different boundaries from different parents and if you don’t like how parents parent their child, avoid them or limit your time with them.

I have no issue saying no to mine even if it means we leave early. I do ask why they do or want xyz unless it is something that I’ve already said no to.

The cupcake thing I would have just ate what the child didn’t eat. No waste.

Tv for a play date wouldn’t bother me as long as what was being watched was age-appropriate and depends how old the children are . Did that as a kid where friend and I would sit and watch tv together and if it means the children are staying in one place and aren’t wandering through someone else’s house while I’m talking to their parent I don’t mind. Plus, there is a screen time limit in our house and a bit lax on the weekends so I already know how much mine are having and how much I accept. How much parents use for their own children is theirs to determine, not for me.

The slushy thing, just tell my child no. What food/drink parents buy and give isn’t my business and has no bearing on me or my child. Just because they see another child get something, they know it doesn’t mean they will too. If you struggle to say no in those instants, that’s your problem, not the parents.

The roleplay thing is dependent on age, how long it goes on for and what we were discussing beforehand. Something serious, be annoyed. Something light like a show we’ve been watching, not bothered as long as it wasn’t constant and we weren’t pressed for time.

The hitting thing, I would say something if the parents’ didn’t.

I’ve seen this sometimes, but nowhere near the level you experience it. Most of the parents I encounter are pretty on it, I see more people scolding their kids for what seems like minor things than just letting them run amok.

The times I have seen parents not step in is typically birthday parties where their kids are disrupting the entertainer even when the entertainer is asking them to stop. I just remind myself not to accept play dates or invite them to a party if we did have one.

Everanewbie · 07/07/2025 09:21

There is always a degree of "pick your battles" but the problem is, metaphorically speaking, that if you don't pick any battles at all an opt for an easy life in the moment every time, you, and the child will be fighting battles for ever more.

There are times where I've faltered and just bought the ice cream so I can have a moments peace. I don't think that makes me a bad parent. But its when you give in every time to yours, your family, your fellow humans and ultimately and importantly, your child's detriment that we fall down.

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2025 09:21

“And there are times when the reason a child’s resilience is teetering on a knife edge is because I haven’t been mindful of their valid needs, prioritising my own desire to spend time with a friend, and it isn’t fair to turn that into a discipline issue.”

So what about the poor friend in this scenario? A child will get over it. Being told to wait a minute as mummy is talking will not make them explode into a thousand pieces (emergencies not withstanding obvs). In fact it will teach them a whole load of good lessons about patience and turn taking.

But your friend will just know that you don’t really give a shit about her and that you do not value her time and patience as you sit there distracted, pandering to your child’s whims. It’s just so selfish and self indulgent. It would be kinder not to bother.

Lavender14 · 07/07/2025 10:12

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2025 09:21

“And there are times when the reason a child’s resilience is teetering on a knife edge is because I haven’t been mindful of their valid needs, prioritising my own desire to spend time with a friend, and it isn’t fair to turn that into a discipline issue.”

So what about the poor friend in this scenario? A child will get over it. Being told to wait a minute as mummy is talking will not make them explode into a thousand pieces (emergencies not withstanding obvs). In fact it will teach them a whole load of good lessons about patience and turn taking.

But your friend will just know that you don’t really give a shit about her and that you do not value her time and patience as you sit there distracted, pandering to your child’s whims. It’s just so selfish and self indulgent. It would be kinder not to bother.

"But your friend will just know that you don’t really give a shit about her and that you do not value her time and patience"

Do they know that? Even before I became a parent I understood that when I visited my friends homes with their kids there that they were a parent first and I would need to be patient while they responded to their child? I also go expecting to engage with their child since I'm in their home and we were all hanging out together. Even then I knew that was my friends juggling demands on their time and wasn't reflective of my relationship with them. I think it's pretty universally known that playdates aren't the easiest catch ups! When me and my friends meet up sometimes we're even at opposite sides of the play park because of the layout and the kids ages or some needing more help than others. Or maybe a child is being clingier than usual because they're feeling under the weather or it's been bucketing and they're going stir crazy in the house all day. I think there's something about being able to recognise what's developmentally appropriate for kids as well, some kids will find it harder to sit and play quietly than others either through age or ability. If my friend thinks me acknowledging my child's needs over theirs as an adult then I don't think I'd have much patience for that! As an adult you should be able to read and understand the situation (provided you're nt) but kids aren't always able to do that.

YellowCamperVan · 07/07/2025 10:30

The cupcake one: should have asked if anyone else would like more, and if anyone did split it. Then it's each person's responsibility to do what they want with it.

The TV thing is awful and I wouldn't be attending another playdate with that person.

The slushy thing is daft to be annoyed about, that person's choice to buy it for their child, and if the other parents find it hard to say no to buying one that's on them. How hard is it to just say no, we're not getting a slushy?

Not asking your child to wait while you finish your conversation is rude to the conversation partner.

I don't think this is all regular parent stuff OP. You're just around some really lax feckless parents.

Barnbrack · 07/07/2025 11:00

Lavender14 · 07/07/2025 10:12

"But your friend will just know that you don’t really give a shit about her and that you do not value her time and patience"

Do they know that? Even before I became a parent I understood that when I visited my friends homes with their kids there that they were a parent first and I would need to be patient while they responded to their child? I also go expecting to engage with their child since I'm in their home and we were all hanging out together. Even then I knew that was my friends juggling demands on their time and wasn't reflective of my relationship with them. I think it's pretty universally known that playdates aren't the easiest catch ups! When me and my friends meet up sometimes we're even at opposite sides of the play park because of the layout and the kids ages or some needing more help than others. Or maybe a child is being clingier than usual because they're feeling under the weather or it's been bucketing and they're going stir crazy in the house all day. I think there's something about being able to recognise what's developmentally appropriate for kids as well, some kids will find it harder to sit and play quietly than others either through age or ability. If my friend thinks me acknowledging my child's needs over theirs as an adult then I don't think I'd have much patience for that! As an adult you should be able to read and understand the situation (provided you're nt) but kids aren't always able to do that.

Sums it up pretty well! I prioritise friends by arranging kid free catch ups where possible but if kids are there they are my priprity

BarnacleBeasley · 07/07/2025 11:03

I think some of the examples in the OP are social situations where the parents don't want to ruin the event for everyone else by letting their child work themselves up into a tantrum. If they're little children and they're still learning how to process disappointment, you can say no but there's a risk that they're going to be really loud. I can see why if one parent bought their child a slushy at a birthday party, the other parents felt they had to as well - it's not fair on the hosts to have loads of screaming kids. And I know the classic MN line is 'I would just tell my child to stop having a tantrum or we're going straight home' but that would also be pretty shit for the birthday child and their parents. Whereas when it's just you and your children, it's easy to say no and just ride out the whining/crying/etc.

It's also easy for me to say no to slushies because my child wouldn't want one. So in that specific example I'd look like an amazing parent.

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 07/07/2025 11:21

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 05:55

Exactly, it is hard and why so many parents can't be bothered

Agree, but all the self righteousness here of people claiming they find it very easy to say "no" is not helpful. A bit more sympathy would help overwhelmed parents.

Everanewbie · 07/07/2025 11:21

BarnacleBeasley · 07/07/2025 11:03

I think some of the examples in the OP are social situations where the parents don't want to ruin the event for everyone else by letting their child work themselves up into a tantrum. If they're little children and they're still learning how to process disappointment, you can say no but there's a risk that they're going to be really loud. I can see why if one parent bought their child a slushy at a birthday party, the other parents felt they had to as well - it's not fair on the hosts to have loads of screaming kids. And I know the classic MN line is 'I would just tell my child to stop having a tantrum or we're going straight home' but that would also be pretty shit for the birthday child and their parents. Whereas when it's just you and your children, it's easy to say no and just ride out the whining/crying/etc.

It's also easy for me to say no to slushies because my child wouldn't want one. So in that specific example I'd look like an amazing parent.

That's a very fair point. I think the thread is cause for introspection rather than judgement, particularly when it involves us viewing the parenting infrequently or as a one off.

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 11:25

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 07/07/2025 11:21

Agree, but all the self righteousness here of people claiming they find it very easy to say "no" is not helpful. A bit more sympathy would help overwhelmed parents.

Really? We're all overwhelmed and annoying kids like this just make it harder for all of us. Also the point was it's harder to say no. Not saying no is the easy way out

User868473 · 07/07/2025 11:28

Not all instances of saying no is an example of ideal parenting though. If the reason for saying no is simply because you can't afford it, then that's an adult problem, not the child's. Many requests are potentially quite reasonable but get declined because the parent doesn't want to spend money on something. It's not necessarily a virtue to teach a child they cannot have something because you don't have the money for it.

Bournetilly · 07/07/2025 11:33

I think most parents are fine with saying no. Maybe they don’t want to say no in some of these scenarios. What is wrong with letting their child have a slush at a party? Why do you think they need to say no to this?

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 11:33

Sharptonguedwoman · 07/07/2025 08:07

Interesting. Which ones?

What’s wrong with a child having another cupcake after it’s been left over after everyone already had one?
Why is a parent not allowed to buy their child a slushie because other children are having squash?
If I’m at a kids party I’ll usually buy a coffee or a beer if it’s in a function room, why would I not let my child pick they drink they want at a party when it’s at my cost?
It’s rules for the sake of rules and being arbitrarily hardline isn’t necessarily better.

SleeplessInWherever · 07/07/2025 11:39

We have “absolute no”s that are not movable and absolutely boundaries, and otherwise it depends on the situation.

We never say no for the sake of saying no. If we’ve said no, it’s for a reason, and we’re sticking to it. “Because I said so” isn’t an answer in our house.

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 07/07/2025 11:44

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2025 09:21

“And there are times when the reason a child’s resilience is teetering on a knife edge is because I haven’t been mindful of their valid needs, prioritising my own desire to spend time with a friend, and it isn’t fair to turn that into a discipline issue.”

So what about the poor friend in this scenario? A child will get over it. Being told to wait a minute as mummy is talking will not make them explode into a thousand pieces (emergencies not withstanding obvs). In fact it will teach them a whole load of good lessons about patience and turn taking.

But your friend will just know that you don’t really give a shit about her and that you do not value her time and patience as you sit there distracted, pandering to your child’s whims. It’s just so selfish and self indulgent. It would be kinder not to bother.

So the kid should know that they should be patient and wait - they'll 'get over it' - but an adult will not be able to wait while you sort out the kid, and they will conclude that you 'don't give a shit about them' if you ask them to hold on a moment? Is that definitely right? Will the adult explode into a thousand pieces?

I try and avoid catching up with friends when my (or their) children are present, because I don't like or enjoy the inevitable feeling of being split in two. However, when it does happen I think any adult should accept that someone who is in charge of a child is sometimes going to have to interact with them - it's not reasonable or realistic to think you're going to be able to have long, uninterrupted chats if there are small children there. I mean, my youngest can't yet take himself off to the toilet if we're in a public place, so yes, if he says 'mummy I need a wee' then I'll break off mid-sentence to deal with it - I think everyone involved, including my friend, thinks this is a better solution than him wetting himself while waiting for the grown-up conversation to be done!

Howcloseisburnout · 07/07/2025 11:49

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 11:33

What’s wrong with a child having another cupcake after it’s been left over after everyone already had one?
Why is a parent not allowed to buy their child a slushie because other children are having squash?
If I’m at a kids party I’ll usually buy a coffee or a beer if it’s in a function room, why would I not let my child pick they drink they want at a party when it’s at my cost?
It’s rules for the sake of rules and being arbitrarily hardline isn’t necessarily better.

Edited

Because all of what you’ve just said is incredibly selfish and you need to teach your child to be able to look at the bigger picture and take into account the the thoughts and feelings of others!

You are the parent OP is finding difficult and I’m inclined to agree 🤦🏼‍♀️

In this example you could maybe see how you treating your child differently may impact the other parents? Yes they can just say no, but if you hadn’t allowed it in the first place they wouldn’t all be needing to then do damage control.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/07/2025 11:50

I had a friend whose young dd didn’t like her talking to me, and so taking the attention away from her. She would literally turn her mother’s face towards HER, away from me, whenever she tried to speak to me.

The mother was (is) a lovely person, but a complete doormat for her kids. Just too ‘nice’!

SleeplessInWherever · 07/07/2025 11:53

Howcloseisburnout · 07/07/2025 11:49

Because all of what you’ve just said is incredibly selfish and you need to teach your child to be able to look at the bigger picture and take into account the the thoughts and feelings of others!

You are the parent OP is finding difficult and I’m inclined to agree 🤦🏼‍♀️

In this example you could maybe see how you treating your child differently may impact the other parents? Yes they can just say no, but if you hadn’t allowed it in the first place they wouldn’t all be needing to then do damage control.

Hang on, since when was that the responsibility of other parents?

If our kid wants an ice cream for example, I’m not really bothered if someone else isn’t buying them for theirs. Surely that’s got absolutely nothing to do with us 😂

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 11:55

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 07/07/2025 11:21

Agree, but all the self righteousness here of people claiming they find it very easy to say "no" is not helpful. A bit more sympathy would help overwhelmed parents.

Why assume that other parents don’t get overwhelmed because we don’t struggle to say no?

Maybe some parents find other things overwhelming just not saying no to their children.

My parents were way more strict than I am to the point I just didn’t ask because I already assumed it was a no.

I tell my children no and why they’re being told no. My middle tears up when he is told no. I don’t like to see him cry but I also know that my reasons for saying no are necessary and for good reason whether he likes it or not and depending on what it is I may offer a compromise or a different solution.

Obviously this is age-dependent.

I also know he will remember things I say so and will use my logic towards me so more reason to stick to boundaries and rules. Makes us proud that he listens.