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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Meetmeundertheclock · 05/07/2025 09:46

We have someone like this in our wider family. Our observations are.
She married lateish, nearly 40. One daughter, safety conscious never took her eyes off her. Would not allow her to go to her cousins or stay with an Aunt. Which was out of character for the family. Everybody visited and slept over in summer. Child not encouraged to have a bicycle or catch buses, swimming was a necessary safety activity.
Now they have a 35 yr old recluse. Mother only has her life in village and her husbands job and hobby for interest.
Nothing changes nor will it.

BMW6 · 05/07/2025 09:49

LindorDoubleChoc · 05/07/2025 09:28

Do you talk like you write - ie. 100 words when 10 would do? It strikes me that "Zoey" doesn't fancy the intensity of a lunch devoted to you and your big problems. She knows that you don't like it when she brings her child along - so she brought her this time to ensure that you got really pissed off and walked away from the friendship, meaning that she doesn't have to do the hard work of calling it a day. She has quite skilfully left that to you.

Do you have to practice being a gobshite or does it come naturally?

ToadRage · 05/07/2025 09:57

I'm sorry you had to go through this and lose a friend like that. Some people do become child obsessed when they have kids, they think everyone adores their child as much as they do and will not teach their child their word 'No'. By turning down her husbands offer of care she clearly had no intention of meeting you without her child and by telling him you didn't mine shows she clearly has neither knowledge or care for you or your situation. My husband and i were good friend with a lovely couple and they have had two children and the meeting for lunch every few months (they live far away) has turned to 3 times in the last ten years. They even posted pics of them visiting tourist attractions near us but didn't bother let us know they were nearby. It seems inevitable to lose friends to their children or even family, I once tried to reach out to my aunt who i was close to before she had kids, i suggested something for just the two of us and he response was 'I'm sure [DD's name] would love that' when i tried to steer her away saying i thought i could only afford two tickets she then said she wouldn't come but i could take her daughter as if wanted to be a babysitter for the day. we never spoke of it again and I have only seen her since at family events with her daughter.
Let her go she clearly didn't value the friendship the way you did, enjoy the god memories but find some childless friends.

Thatsalineallright · 05/07/2025 09:57

Your are totally in the right, OP. I'd let the friendship drop (but wouldn't block) and leave it up to Zoey to maybe one day see the light.

WaltzingWaters · 05/07/2025 10:01

I cannot see at all how you sound entitled and self-absorbed as a PP suggested. Quite the opposite actually and you’ve endured spending time with her children, doing child-based activities for years. It’s your friend who sounds entirely entitled and self-absorbed, and unfortunately her DD is going to be the same with the lack of boundaries and self-awareness she’s being given.
Your friend is bonkers and you’ve done the right thing. I have a toddler, I’d never let him go and bother a bunch of adults having a good time for longer than a 20 seconds saying hello!

bakebeans · 05/07/2025 10:04

I remember your previous thread. She sounds absolutely intolerable.

dontcryformeargentina · 05/07/2025 10:06

Zoey doesn’t care about you or other people. Selfish and entitled. I used to have a friend like that. We are not friends anymore. Don’t waste your time on this friendship, it’s one sided

Eldermileniummam · 05/07/2025 10:09

Well done OP

MyDadWasAnArse · 05/07/2025 10:11

I'm neurodivergent and as a little girl I was like Cara. My mum was the polar opposite of Zoey, as I was constantly told by my mum, Grandma and aunt what a nuisance, bad girl, cheeky little madam I was and asked "why can't you just behave!"

There's a middle ground with parenting in this situation.

Eldermileniummam · 05/07/2025 10:11

Well done OP

As if she didn't understand what “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table” means 🙄

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/07/2025 10:13

Yanbu to have lost your shit and to point out that the women on the other table were clearly telling the random kid to fuck off. Kindly, but clearly.

I think you were BU to have that argument in front of the child. IMO, you should have made an excuse to leave and then said it later out of earshot of the child, either by phone or by text or whatever.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 05/07/2025 10:17

I remember your other posts too.Good for you she needed to be told.

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2025 10:24

Sorry you have lost your friend but honestly she needed to hear a few home truths. It is rude to let 8 year olds chat to groups of adults in restaurants for more than a couple of minutes, unless the adults are actively encouraging it rather than just being polite.

One day her daughter will no longer want to hang around with mummy all the time and then your friend will wonder where all her old friends went. At least she will understand why you and her don't talk anymore.

stclementine · 05/07/2025 10:26

TimeFliesin2046 · 05/07/2025 08:12

Ah I see. I don’t usually read these kinds of threads so I wasn’t aware it was a thing!

It’s not, apart from in the fevered imaginations of posters like that one 🙄

CleverLilacOP · 05/07/2025 10:28

She is in for a rude awakening when in a few short years her daughter goes off out with her own friends and Mum isn’t invited along! I generally wouldn’t mind an 8 year old tagging along for a catch up as they are older but absolutely not if you needed private adult conversations. I didn’t agree however with arguing in front of the child but understand you reached the end of your tether!

Clara202 · 05/07/2025 10:32

You should send Zoey this thread, and the one from a few months ago. Cara sounds like a pain, free time in today’s world is precious, I wouldn’t want to spend it with Cara either!

hettie · 05/07/2025 10:39

You've given time to think this through previously and tried to shift this dynamic. Z is wrong to read this as jealousy.
I actually really really feel for C as tis sounds a very unhealthy dynamic. Children need to know who the adult is and have boundaries to feel safe and develop a healthy sense of self. Z seems a lost cause .....but pity her poor kids

BlueandPinkSwan · 05/07/2025 10:39

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Why exactly os OP self absorbed and entitled? You haven't read previous posts to don't know the bacground for OP being quite rightly pissed off.
Most people do not want to be bothered by other peoples little darlings, I certainly don't and I've had six.
You are entitled to your opinions but realise others will agree with the OP.
There is no need for the childless jibe, you don't know OP's circumstances anyway.
Not everyone wants kids and many people who have them can't look after them properly anyway. Hence the pushing their kids onto others.
"She just wants to talk to you random person while you are eating your hard earned expensive [for me] meal with your friends."
That would earn a "Well we don't want to speak to her/him so parent your kid at YOUR table."
I don't want to be pestered or hung around by your bloody kids or your dog so fuck off.
Rant over

LadyQuackBeth · 05/07/2025 10:40

You are right about the child bothering people, I'd have probably called her back myself because I'd be so embarrassed by it.

I think you are right on theory but that you can learn from this, learn not to be polite and careful with what you say up until the point you explode. With hindsight you can see it would have been better to be clearer with her in the first place, telling her that you didn't want children tagging along or saying (clearly not hinting) that you think Clara should stay with her DH. There were too many assumptions on your part that didn't consider how thick skinned and oblivious she is, you let it go on and on until breaking point.

So you are not wrong overall but could have handled it better, both you and her DH were too wet and this is the consequence - everyone is more upset than they needed to be.

Itisnotdownonanymap · 05/07/2025 10:46

I don't blame you at all for finally running out of patience, I had a friend whose youngest dd would hang around us listening when all other kids were off playing and it would really irritate me.

This is really extreme and very unhealthy for Cara.

Gettingbysomehow · 05/07/2025 10:51

All I can say is WELL DONE 😎 she needed telling. I wish I had the guts to say that.

thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 10:54

Surreymum538 · 05/07/2025 09:17

God OP stop posting about this woman and her child. Just let her be. Clearly she doesn’t want to meet alone so either slowly fade from this friendship or continue it knowing full well she’s not interesting in meeting without the daughter.

but at this point the amount of threads you’ve made about her is weird. It’s almost like you just want people to pile on and say how weird she is. She’s supposed to be your friend.

Edited

Two threads about two different incidents. I hate people who police threads as if they are some higher authority. If a thread is annoying you, scroll past and don't bother posting.

Yellowpingu · 05/07/2025 10:56

I remember your spa thread. It’s probably highly unpopular in MN-land but in your shoes I’d have happily told Cara to leave the other table in peace after one of them made that comment. ‘Cara, the ladies want to get on with their lunch. Come back here and tell me more about XYZ.’ Even though it would be the last thing I wanted to hear about! Yes, I do have DC and yes I’d have been happy for a good friend to politely redirect them.

Frugalgal · 05/07/2025 10:59

You were not unreasonable at all. Perhaps you should have been more direct with her earlier but I get the sense that it probably would not have made any difference. Seems like she's made the child her personality which is sad. Also deeply weird not letting the dad spend time alone with his kids.

AmyDudley · 05/07/2025 11:00

LindorDoubleChoc · 05/07/2025 09:28

Do you talk like you write - ie. 100 words when 10 would do? It strikes me that "Zoey" doesn't fancy the intensity of a lunch devoted to you and your big problems. She knows that you don't like it when she brings her child along - so she brought her this time to ensure that you got really pissed off and walked away from the friendship, meaning that she doesn't have to do the hard work of calling it a day. She has quite skilfully left that to you.

Do you always talk absolute bollocks ?