I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

And they may not have even caught covid in the first place. Not everyone has you know

And the last posts show again a lack of comprehension of statistics or even basic averages

Very true! My Mum actually never has, she’s the only person I know who hasn’t despite living with my Dad when he had it mildly twice, and she was testing twice weekly for over a year longer than most people as my Nan was in a care home throughout.

OK so here is the full quote. But the question is the same. Where do you think the immunity came from?

I've not had it . Despite being in same house as teenager with it and working with the public throughout My mum never had it. Tested daily in a hospital at one point, even on the morning of her death ( almost as though they were determined to get her down as a " covid" death My OH didn't get it. DGS had no sign of it

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9x4yd27mro

"Emergency vaccination programmes – rolled out in response to outbreaks of five major diseases – are believed to have reduced deaths by around 60% over a period of 23 years, according to a new study.

A similar number of infections are also thought to have been prevented.
Researchers believe that vaccinations stopped much bigger outbreaks of illnesses like Ebola, cholera and yellow fever.

The study also points to the significant economic benefits of vaccination programmes, which run into billions of dollars.

Researchers say this is the first comprehensive study to assess the impact of emergency vaccination programmes in response to the outbreak of five infectious diseases – Ebola, measles, cholera, yellow fever and meningitis.

They studied 210 different incidents from 2000 to 2023, covering 49 different countries.

The vaccine roll-outs seem to have had an impressive impact, reducing deaths by nearly 60%.

The number of overall cases of theses infections were also reduced by nearly 60%.
The swift deployment of vaccines also appears to have halted wider outbreaks.
There were economic benefits too – worth an estimated $32 billion.

These benefits come mainly from averting deaths and years of life lost to disability.
But researchers believe this could be a significant underestimate of overall savings, as it doesn't take into account the costs of dealing with a wider outbreak, or the economic disruption caused by a more serious health emergency.

It's believed the 2014 Ebola outbreak, which occurred before the existence of an approved vaccine, is estimated to have cost West African countries alone more than $53 billion."

For anyone who doesn't have an agenda, when you read this and when you think of smallpox as well, the value of vaccines is overall a black - and - white issue.

Yes, there are some who will react badly to the vaccines and they have an entirely valid reason to not have them and rely on herd immunity.

But for the rest, it's a very clear case.

More and more I come to think that Western people who are anti-vaccinations on principle are plain spoiled, selfish, naive and cossetted idiots. There's no other way to put it.

Ah yes the BBC with all their non biased reporting

The author of the study also affiliated with Gavi - can’t be any vested interests then….

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@AnxiousOCDMum dont you believe anyone has any integrity? Anyone at all? (other than you and whoever you are ‘researching’ with).

No I don’t think Bill Gates has much integrity to be honest.

What’s that got to do with scientists?
And actually, why not? Beyond general issues with being a billionaire he seems to be fairly philanthropic.

My best friend would not go for her covid jabs .She died last year as she got covid. To my way of thinking hers was a needless death and I still miss her very much.

I’m so very sorry for your loss. Can I ask if there was a particular health reason you felt she should have had a jab? Or is it the norm where you are? Because it isn’t where I am and I haven’t had one for years.

😂 ok love, you believe that if you want. Have all his jabs and eat all his GMO lab grown meats and keep your rose tinted spectacles on. I’m sure you’ll be grand 👌🏽

I believe science. I don’t think that’s a radical position, or one requiring your hideous condescension. I’m not your love by the way.

You believe scientists who are paid and instructed by those who profit off of the “research”. You sound smart.

Uneducated and/or not very bright/sometimes just nuts

definitely antisocial and should be socially isolated due to their threat to public health and failure to be good citizens

I think education may work for a subset of antivaxxers who have a poor understanding of science. But the core of the antivaxxer movement seems to be a combination of selfishness, lack of empathy, and anti-establishment rebellion.

Arguments appealing to their humanity, like herd immunity, makes no difference because they only care about themselves and their own families, too bad for the rest of us.

Dear God. You’ve had this explained to you. Some science is funded by businesses, and yes, it’s worth knowing which ones and being mindful. Not all is amd anyway it’s peer reviewed. Not everyone is venal and corrupt either.
It’s a damn sight smarter to believe in science than to believe in…what? Who is giving you your information? Where are they from? What’s their qualification level? Who funds them? Are they peer reviewed?

I’ve always been a bit bemused about why the conspiracy theorists loathe Bill Gates so much. Have you any idea how much money he has donated over the years? Or all the work his foundation has done, for example trying to eradicate malaria? Surely your hatred should be directed at the billionaires sitting on their wealth not the ones giving it away.

My sister had her Covid jab, to ‘save the universe’, or similar. She had breast cancer, and a reasonable prognosis.
She died several weeks later from multiple organ failure.
Her oncologist stated that unfortunately the vaccine had many unexpected problems, and in retrospect it should not have been given to the vulnerable so readily.
I miss her too.
It’s not as straightforward as you are suggesting.

”Donated” 😂

I’m so sorry for your loss. There are many doctors who are speaking out about the Covid vax and how dangerous it is. People will not understand the true extent of how terrible it os until years later down the line. Anyone willingly having it now really needs to reassess.

Those doctors are largely social media grifters.

Had this explained to me? By who? All
you “scientists” and “experts”? Isn’t it only those who I should believe? Even if their studies are biased? Even if the whole pharmaceutical industry relies on people becoming sick? When will the penny drop?

Ok 🤪