I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

@Jumpingthruhoops

"Pretty sure small pox was already on its way out, as the jab was being developed."

Please be sensible - no it wasn't.

What evidence are you even basing your views on?

Really?

There was an outbreak in Wales in 1962 with a few cases in London and Birmingham.

I think I have heard it all now.

Small pox was eliminated because of the nature of the disease and very strategic quarantine and vaccination.

Smallpox is only be transmitted because when the spots are visible and has to be face to face contact
So once they found a person with smallpox they set up a quarantine area, then vaccinated everyone within a certain radius.

I know some on here will think this is harsh but I don't care, I am really angry at the reemergence of deadly illnesses. I believe that parents who don't vaccinate their children (at least for childhood diseases) should have the children removed from their custody, and their parental rights terminated. They can be restored and the children be returned to them if they agree to vaccinate. To not vaccinate children (obviously barring a child having a serious illness which means they can't have the vaccinations) is child abuse and negligence imo, and you forfeit your right to custody and being a parent if you don't get them vaccinated. Be anti-vaccination for yourself, but don't withhold it from your own innocent children.

Oh absolutely. I’m very much pro vax.

The more anti vaxxers spread their message the greater risk they are putting their own children in.

I don't know what point you are intending to make. Smallpox has been around for millennia so it has never been possible to contain it successfully let alone eliminate it in the past. It has now been eliminated....so what changed? Vaccination.

it was aimed @Jumpingthruhoops who was insinuating that smallpox was on the decline without vaccines.

OK thanks very much for clarifying @bruffin .

Not 'insinuating' anything, thanks. It WAS on the decline. A quick Google search reveals:

"While the smallpox vaccine, developed in the late 1700s, was instrumental in the global eradication of smallpox, it's important to acknowledge that the disease had already begun to decline naturally in some regions before widespread vaccination programs were implemented. This decline was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns."

You're welcome.

What if your child dies of a disease you could have prevented?

You are quoting AI!

That's the first thing that comes up when you search now. I can't help that. It's still a fact not an insinuation...

its not a fact! AI is not fact!

What are you talking about? AI merely searches for information that already exists on the Internet and pulls it into one succinct explanation.
Instead of badgering me, why not use the time to read the links that appear below the AI when you search Google, which will contain this exact information on small pox? There's a good one from the NIH...

So what?

A vaccine eradicates it completely, instead of it beginning to decline naturally in some areas.

If you think that that was as good as complete eradication via vaccine, there's something as deeply wrong with your thinking as the posters who believe that your body should be made comfortable while your neighbourhood is dying of an entirely preventable disease.

The first smallpox vaccine was in 1796. It took nearly 200 years to perfect vaccination and eridicate smallpox

Not disputing that. Just saying that numbers were already going down, so natural immunity would have also contributed to it being eradicated.

this is what you get from Google AI when you google can you trust Google AI

"This means it has access to up-to-date information and can search the web, but this doesn't mean it is always accurate. “The nature of the AI Overview means that the response will always sound right and provide related attributes, however users need to evaluate those results and sources to check it's factual."

You cant just state numbers were going down

What numbers were going down, when did they start going down 1800s, 1900,1950???????????????? what countries was small pox going down,
They were vaccinating since the 1800s before that they used variolation and other methods

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/about/history.html

https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-smallpox-vaccination

While some European regions eliminated the disease by 1900, smallpox was still ravaging continents and areas under colonial rule, with over 2 million people dying every year. It took another 50 years to achieve global solidarity in the fight against the disease

Click on the sources the AI bot has provided - this is not showing the full picture at all/ is not accurate.
People need to start using their own brains instead of relying on what AI says.

I am frankly aghast at anyone relying on AI for their info, rather than checking their research findings are from credible sources. On a subject as important as vaccination where their own & other peoples' children's safety is at stake.

OK love. Wherever it was, however it was happening, smallpox WAS already on the decline. That's all I said.
That's a good thing, right? To that end, I'm not sure what your argument is...

But, whatever, I've clearly hit some sort of nerve, so I'll bow out now. Have a nice evening.

By, credible sources, that obviously can't include the CDC and WHO as they will have a bias towards pharmaceuticals and not look at the whole picture.

The NIH document I referenced in a later comment mentions the decline and is, I believe, a more reliable source than both the CDC and the WHO, whose behaviour during the pandemic provides a good explanation as to why many people no longer trust traditional vaccines.

Oh, and I certainly do not 'rely on AI for my information'. Someone challenged my comment that smallpox was already on a natural decline as the vaccines were introduced. So I did what billions of people do in the world when they want a quick answer to something - a Google search to check. It's not my fault the AI bot is now the first thing to pop up!

Google wants to be more helpful to the searcher. That's why they created this new AI. Makes it harder for people who needs to market on the internet. I received the warning last year.

a Google search to check. It's not my fault the AI bot is now the first thing to pop up!

It's a fucking nightmare