I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

What was your search term please? “Smallpox incidence history” does not reveal your NIH link.

What exactly do you mean by “natural immunity”?

A bias towards pharmaceuticals? Towards evidenced medicine you mean?

When I do research on anything relating to my own profession I have learned that the first links that come up are more often than not the crap ones. I have to keep scrolling to find credible links, or if in doubt at least look at more than one source. I thought any serious researcher did that.

You mean people caught smallpox and either got immunity or died.

Eventually you are just left with a population where most of them have either had smallpox and therefore are immune - as other people who got it died. So the virus finds it hard to transmit as people are immune to it.

Can you imagine doing that with other diseases?

Let the disease rip, people catch it, and then either they survive or die.

It's an approach.

Or..and here's a thought We could give people immunity and then the virus eventually struggles to pass on as people are immune to. it.

Well, yes, a serious researcher would. Not someone just looking for a quick answer to post a comment in an online chat forum...

Those who have acquired immunity to the disease naturally, ie, those in the community having had and survived the illness. Numbers were also going down due to better hygiene practices etc.

All of this information is widely available online.

Would you have taken the smallpox vaccine if you had been around when smallpox was prevalent or would you have relied on getting the disease and not dying from it so you would be immune from it?

That's my point: you unfortunately cannot rely on the likes of the CDC and WHO to provide impartial 'evidence' as they both have a vested interest in promoting the pharmaceutical product.
It's really not in their (financial) interest to acknowledge that smallpox was already in natural decline as the jab was introduced, as their primary aim is obviously to promote the jab.
So to get the full picture of what was happening back then, you need to seek out more independent sources.

Respectfully, I'm not at liberty to reveal my private medical information to a bunch of strangers on the Internet.

Respectfully who is stopping you answering a straightforward yes or no question? It isn't revealing private medical information. Unless of course, jumpingthruhoops is actually your name and someone could identify you from it. Even then, answering a hypothetical question about whether you would have been an anti-scientist in the face of a deadly disease and prevented your children from being vaccinated, is hardly some sort of national secret.

Back to the original point. As clearly shown on this thread
YANBU

Blimey! People on here really do get worked up over the slightest thing, don't they?

This isn't about me. All I did was mention that small pox was in natural decline before the jab was introduced. Surely we can all agree that's a good thing? Yet the responses I've had to a simple point have been frankly bizarre.

I'm outta here. Night, night!

Because you are spouting indefensible anti-science nonsense.

This clearly shows the decline in smallpox from when a vaccine was first introduced in 1796, not before. It also discusses the pivotal role of the WHO in its elimination.

ourworldindata.org/smallpox

Apart from the AI, did you actually read this?

This decline was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns.

Where do you think the immunity came from?

If I am posting anything which refers to research then though I would probably not spend hours & hours I would check my sources are reliable and I am sure of my facts before posting. Regardless of this being a chat forum I think that is the least I would do....especially for a topic as high stakes as vaccination which if not done can kill people.

Has enough of experts, have you?

You've provided a great example here of taking something completely out of context - you can't just pick out the one line that you want to substantiate your argument!

The FULL quote that you've taken that from clearly states:
"While the smallpox vaccine, developed in the late 1700s, was instrumental in the global eradication of smallpox, it's important to acknowledge that the disease had already begun to decline naturally in some regions BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented. This decline [so, BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented] was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns."

I don't personally know what led to such increased immunity within populations but, whatever it was, was happening 'BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented'.

I must admit, I'm finding this whole thread most bizarre. I made the simple comment that 'the disease had begun to decline naturally prior to widespread vaccination' and I've subsequently been questioned, challenged, asked to confirm my sources, even ridiculed by some, when surely the ONLY thing that matters is that the virus WAS already in decline. This is a good thing, no?
MN really is batshit sometimes!

You’re misunderstanding. This paragraph relates to the beginning of widespread modern vaccination for small pox. Yes, immunity was improving before that, but not for the reasons you’re stating.

Go and look up “variolation” and “cowpox” and you might begin to understand.

@cardibach Not all experts, no, far from it. Just ones who might be on the payroll.

Regardless of what any of us believe morally, we much always keep in mind that the business of healthcare is just that: a business. When people are/risk getting sick, they make money. If everyone on the entire planet woke up tomorrow and were in the best of health, the healthcare/Pharmacy industry would quickly go bust!

We are talking about smallpox. I doubt there’s much of a payday in that vaccine these days.
Plus vaccination is settled science because of experts.

I'm talking generally and, in reference to the OP, offering a reason as to why people might no longer have much faith in 'experts'.

Immunity was likely increasing because of the numbers of people who contracted the disease. I mean, sure, a whole load of people would have died in order to make that happen, but happy days, that means we didn’t need to introduce the single most effective health intervention there has ever been.

Sadly too many people have faith in “experts”.

What they lack is a faith in experts. Who have actual scientific data to back up their information.

The only reason people might have no faith in experts is because people spread the idea that they are all paid for and therefore compromised. The science is clear on vaccination.