I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

Look up pictures of small pox and then see how your own ‘feelies’ feel. Fortunately, due to mass vaccination, it has been eradicated so you don’t have to worry about dying or being disfigured by it.

They are everybody's concern if those decisions can harm other people.

Antivaxxers put other people at risk through their own ignorance and/or stupidity. Parents who don't vaccinate their children (without any sound medical reason) should be charged with child abuse and prosecuted.

Personally I’d do what other countries do and say no funded childcare until dc are vaccinated.

If you are in an outbreak area, ask your GP for an early MRR. They might then say your child needs 3 doses, but it'll keep them safe especially if in nursery. I do think vaccination should become mandatory for nursery and school attendance, and mandatory for immigration to UK (TB, measles and whooping cough at a minimum). Everyone can retain choice, but just reduce the impact of that choice on others.

There has been insufficient BCG vaccination across London due to historical low supply missing a cohort, but I guess there'll need to be a TB outbreak affecting kids before that's caught up.

I'm researching my family history, emigration from the UK to NZ in the 1850s-1860s. One ship, the Ganges, carried just over 100 children among the 470 total passengers. Of those little ones, FIFTY-TWO, yes, almost HALF of the under-fives died, mostly of whooping cough or its effects. Some parents lost two babies on the same day. Two adults died. Can you imagine the pain? Shall we do a reprise of that in the 21st century?

Can’t believe that comment that it’s “not anyone else’s concern”! How dim can you be! That’s the whole flipping point!

Imagine having to explain to a teen they are permanently damaged because you refused to get them a vaccine? My grandmother lost hearing in one ear for life due to measles (pre vaccine), Dh was extremely ill as a young man with mumps and was genuinely terrified he had been rendered infertile

Totally agree OP. I contracted measles as a young adult as vaccinations weren’t widely offered when I was a child. I didn’t know I wasn’t vaccinated or I would have gone to get it done.

It was a horrendous experience. I was hospitalised and delirious with the fever. Dr said I was very lucky to escape long term side effects as my brain swelled. I cannot fathom how anyone could even remotely consider putting their young child through it.

A friend who is a nurse said she regularly gets people whose children are very unwell with measles telling her to give them the vaccine. When she explains it’s too late, they get angry at her. I really cannot understand these people at all.

This is a terribly ignorant thing to say.

Louds of people happily wandered around during Covid without masks
Met up, ignored safeguarding advice
Took risks at others expense

People have choices yes ( that’s their right ) but also just don’t care much about others these days

Equally vaccinations when travelling abroad for holidays should be mandatory even if the risk is low.

Of note
TB should be a mandatory vaccine given at a young age. It’s on the rise. I had all of mine done as babies.

Have you heard of Mary Mallon? Her 'medical choices' killed up to 50 people.

Sometimes they are none of anyone else's business but sometimes it very much is.

I also think it was the approach during Covid that helped cause this.

Agree

IRL people DO give a shit but we're busy with our everyday lives and it doesn't come up.

If we knew you were anti-vax IRL we would ostracise you.

Fortunately you and your family are protected by people with fully functioning brain cells. Actual adult cognition and reasoning is not usually called "feelies."

Fuck all to do with "feelies', everything to do with the potential death or disability of the immunocompromised such as my 6 year old niece.

It was picked up online as an easy way to target the gullible sadly.

I doubt it tbh
During covid non mask wearers weren’t ostracised and on here many people thought it was madness
Many also really weren’t bothered by meeting up and spreading the virus we saw it all the time and read it on here

People use public transport with bad colds and flu and could pass it on to the susceptible who could get pneumonia and die
People with mouth ulcers could permanently damage physically and mentally an unborn child but they don’t stay at home to protect others

So I really doubt many people would be that bothered because people risk the lives of others through their own selfiousness every day

Somebody in my NCT group is getting her baby the MMR at 9 months because they’re travelling to a high risk measles area. Might be worth seeing if your surgery will
vaccinate your baby early

Yes, they do exist - I know about 4 or 5 otherwise sensible people, professional people, who became an anti-vaxxers. Most of them quietly get get on with not being vaccinated (which I will and do take them to task on). One, sadly, went down a very deep conspiracy rabbit hole, never to return - big mental health issues and so on. He's not very well at all, I hear (he moved to somewhere else).

They are when it affects heard immunity and puts extremely vulnerable groups at risk.

i agree ☝️ I can’t get my head around it

I realise that there are plenty of people around who couldn't give a shit about other people's "feelies " (wtf), but don't they at least care about their own children contracting these awful diseases. Baffling.