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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Poynsettia · 02/07/2025 08:44

So The Tories were in for 14 years of austerity and we ended up with 900,000 immigrants in the final year, no solution to boats, benefit unsystsinable (I think a lot of people don’t know what that means - it is that we have NO money to pay them so many will be starving and homeless , ie on the streets), schools are underfunded, NHS on its knees. Sooooo
Labour get in, try to cut benefits, 9 out of 10 claimants would have been unaffected, cut payments to boomers with cut in wfa, but no not having it, try to devise ways of stopping boats -but the electorate won’t have it so all these money saving plans FAIL so we continue on our merry way to bankruptcy, failed NHS, striking public servants etc
Companies are moving to the New York stock exchange, CEOs are moving to NYork, young people are off to Dubai and Australia.
When will the electorate open their greedy mitts and accept we need cuts.??????

User135644 · 02/07/2025 08:44

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

You've nailed it. They got into government by accident. Nobody envisaged the Tory implosion 5 years ago when Labour were on their knees after the Corbyn years. They were even losing Hartlepool to the Tories in 2021 in a by election.

There was never any enthusiasm for Rachel from accounts, or two tier Keir and the rest of the rabble.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 08:45

Whatafustercluck · 02/07/2025 08:44

I see that Chris Mason is now trolling the mumsnet boards. Nice try, Chris. They're still nowhere near as bad as the past 14 years, however much you try to spin it.

So you don't believe anybody can have a different opinion to you. Yes, sounds about right.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:46

Genevieva · 02/07/2025 08:41

In which case he should call a general election instead of resigning. We need a Canadian style requirements for a new general election if the PM changes, as they lead the strategic vision for the country. Change the PM and we no longer have what was voted for.

Moot point. Why does anyone think Starmer will be standing down? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that will happen.

I guess we can expect a lot of Reform bots and shills to pop up in the aftermath of yesterday's vote. Reform is currently riding high in the polls and in a couple of years they'll be back to irrelevance. You bet they want it to be the case that Starmer falls and there's a GE! Fairy stories.

User135644 · 02/07/2025 08:46

Poynsettia · 02/07/2025 08:44

So The Tories were in for 14 years of austerity and we ended up with 900,000 immigrants in the final year, no solution to boats, benefit unsystsinable (I think a lot of people don’t know what that means - it is that we have NO money to pay them so many will be starving and homeless , ie on the streets), schools are underfunded, NHS on its knees. Sooooo
Labour get in, try to cut benefits, 9 out of 10 claimants would have been unaffected, cut payments to boomers with cut in wfa, but no not having it, try to devise ways of stopping boats -but the electorate won’t have it so all these money saving plans FAIL so we continue on our merry way to bankruptcy, failed NHS, striking public servants etc
Companies are moving to the New York stock exchange, CEOs are moving to NYork, young people are off to Dubai and Australia.
When will the electorate open their greedy mitts and accept we need cuts.??????

Everyone wants the fucking boats stopped. The uni party just have no guts to actually do anything.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:47

Beamur · 02/07/2025 08:42

Any intimation of returning to the EU would be gleefully seized by Reform. Would not be a smart thing to say, or frankly do, right now.

I suppose you're right. It' more of a personal wish than a pragmatic policy.

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:48

Reform funded fairy stories.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 08:49

Honestly, I think he will hang on as Labour don’t defenestrate their leaders, and asset tax is coming in Autumn. What yesterday showed is that Labour won’t cut the welfare state, so Reeves has to look at tax, which is going to be on assets not income.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 08:49

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:55

And it just gets worse. Not only are individually wealthy top rate taxpayers leaving. Businesses are leaving too.

Exxon pulled out of the UK yesterday because of Red Ed’s crazy obsession with killing our oil industry. We already have the highest energy costs in the world, it only gets worse. And not Astra Zeneca are reportedly looking to move from London stock exchange to New York.

This country is a disaster. Wonder if the ‘eat the rich’ crowd have any ideas on how their freebies will be paid for.

Exxon have been reducing their European workforce since 2020, so wherever news you saw yesterday is a long time in the making.

High energy costs predate this government and are, in large part, due to our reliance on imported natural gas, the markets and lack of storage capacity.

The outlook for the UK is not good at the moment, but to pretend it’s all been brought about by not quite 12 months of Labour is absolute bollocks.

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 08:50

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 02/07/2025 07:16

People were warned to be careful what they wished for.

I don’t think reform will get in, but I do think that there could be a Tory reform coalition.

The “the tories have done” line has run its course. Were a year in, and labour have achieved precisely nothing. In fact they’ve pretty much had to reverse every decision they’ve made, and none of it has anything to do with the tories.

the truth is that we’re not unique, and we currently are in a period of world instability at the moment.

most other countries are in a similar position at the moment, so what’s the answer?

lols - the last 5 or 6 Tory PM's, all said the same stuff, 'The mess we inheriated from labour, etc etc' even in the election build up, it wasn't until Kier called Rishi out on this during a live debate about it, and he (rishi) went for it agian, and again Kier said 14 years youve had to sort this mess and you're blaming the last goverment, I think he forgot just how long the Tories had been in power and utterly messed it up. the tories dropped this stance a few days later as they saw what a uttler stupid thing it was to say after being in power for nearly 15 years!

12 months is nowhere near enough time to start making waves.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:46

Moot point. Why does anyone think Starmer will be standing down? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that will happen.

I guess we can expect a lot of Reform bots and shills to pop up in the aftermath of yesterday's vote. Reform is currently riding high in the polls and in a couple of years they'll be back to irrelevance. You bet they want it to be the case that Starmer falls and there's a GE! Fairy stories.

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:50

Poynsettia · 02/07/2025 08:44

So The Tories were in for 14 years of austerity and we ended up with 900,000 immigrants in the final year, no solution to boats, benefit unsystsinable (I think a lot of people don’t know what that means - it is that we have NO money to pay them so many will be starving and homeless , ie on the streets), schools are underfunded, NHS on its knees. Sooooo
Labour get in, try to cut benefits, 9 out of 10 claimants would have been unaffected, cut payments to boomers with cut in wfa, but no not having it, try to devise ways of stopping boats -but the electorate won’t have it so all these money saving plans FAIL so we continue on our merry way to bankruptcy, failed NHS, striking public servants etc
Companies are moving to the New York stock exchange, CEOs are moving to NYork, young people are off to Dubai and Australia.
When will the electorate open their greedy mitts and accept we need cuts.??????

Your ageism does you no credit.

The idea, heavily promoted by the government, that the welfare state could fail is economically illiterate. It really is time we moved on from the Thatcherite view of the national economy as household budget. It's just used for political obfuscation, to scare people into accepting policy against their own and society's best interests.

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:53

Were (sic) a year in, and labour have achieved precisely nothing.

Not true.
eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-first-6-months-what-has-labour-actually-done/

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:54

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

What does "sorting out immigration" look like to you?

SeriaMau · 02/07/2025 08:54

RunningJo · 02/07/2025 06:59

Some companies I’ve spoken to recently would say we’re already in a recession.

How do you ‘speak to companies’?

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:54

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

The ECHR doesn't prevent countries from controlling their borders or deporting individuals.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 08:56

AngelicInnocent · 02/07/2025 07:00

The middle classes become the new wealthy to be taxed to death. They don't have the ability to leave the country and escape it.

Now Labour are going after their savings.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:57

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:54

What does "sorting out immigration" look like to you?

Stopping illegal immigration.

Reducing numbers of legal migration significantly. Ie the huge tick.in immigration was due to Boris Johnson. Increase the time.period before people get indefinite leave to remain which should hopefully kick some of the benefits Bill can down the road.

Better asylum system.

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 08:59

We need Nigel in power as soon as possible. He will swing the axe we need to the size of the state. That will get all those reliant on Nanny state back to looking after themselves.

Profpudding · 02/07/2025 09:00

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 08:59

We need Nigel in power as soon as possible. He will swing the axe we need to the size of the state. That will get all those reliant on Nanny state back to looking after themselves.

Fuck me, I wouldn’t mind swinging an axe at Nigel

cloudyblueglass · 02/07/2025 09:00

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 08:56

Now Labour are going after their savings.

What savings? Wink

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 09:00

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

Anyone who thinks leaving the ECHR is a good idea is blinded by the very freedoms that it provides.

For any parent, go and read the case: A v. United Kingdom (1998)

Meadowfinch · 02/07/2025 09:00

luckylavender · 02/07/2025 07:30

KEIR

At this point, does it matter?

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 09:00

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:54

The ECHR doesn't prevent countries from controlling their borders or deporting individuals.

I thought the judges in the ECHR have the final say on who stays and who goes...sure looks like it anyway.....

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 09:01

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:54

What does "sorting out immigration" look like to you?

Not bringing in low skilled workers and getting own low skilled workers into those roles. There is no reason hospital cleaners etc should be British.

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