Two Tier’s days are numbered

[Jennps]

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

Reform can’t even run a local council meeting within fucking it up so your hopes for them running the country are naive at best, financially suicidal at worst. One of the councillors went to one meeting and said he should quit now he’s achieve his goal because actually running stuff is boring.

Quite why everyone expected a Labour - or any - party to achieve miracles in one year after 14 years of systemic Tory fuckery, is beyond me. People mentioning sticky fingers in troughs - Michelle Mone, PPE contracts for mates, anyone?

I didn’t vote Labour and with their pivot to the right, never will again but all this ‘oh they are ruining the country with their tax breaks! Oh they are freezing the pensioners! Oh they are running the rich out of this country! Ugh why aren’t they punishing the disabled more the bastards!’ Is lazy and tired.

Farage hasn’t done an honest days work in his life and being an MP has not changed that. If you think running the country will interrupt his schedule of doing fuck all except self promotion and race baiting, I have some magic beans to sell you, with a free bridge thrown in,

You talk about people with no experience running the country meanwhile an 18 year old Reform councillor is crying to mummy over a pride flag being flown at a town hall.

I neither know nor care either you are being disingenuous or thick @Jennps but you are obvious.

Ahh...1998 ...a.golden period before our borders were opened...

😆 🤣 true

No it’s the least of his issues

Are you saying that we should stop offering asylum to asylum seekers?

Or are you saying we should process asylum applicants faster and remove those who don't have a valid claim to asylum?

And I appreciate that Reform and the Tories have done a brilliant job persuading ordinary people that all their problems are the fault of immigrants - the vast majority of whom came here by invitation and who are working and paying taxes, but I'm wondering what you think will get much better once we 'get rid of' some of the most productive tax paying people in the country.

It is a total mess. BUT I’m not sure what alternative there is? Reform - absolutely not. The conservatives look pathetic (I so wish they would get their act together), what’s left?

Starmer and Reeves have never recovered from WFA and the first budget. Increases to NI, the IHT tax for farms and family businesses and Non dom changes. It was a raft of changes that almost immediately choked growth. Couple that with the U turns and Starmer looks like he doesn’t have the metal to push through the tough changes - changes we almost certainly need.
In many way I don’t disagree with him - but he has been weakened by early mis steps.

The chances of anything depend on what the rich decide. Normally, the British vote as Mr Murdoch instructs. However there are hints that Musk may be planning to buy our next election.

Really? 🙄🤣

This. It IS a lot of mess to unpick. Relax and give them a chance ffs. A decade of crippling Tory governance, Covid hangover, Brexit impact, not to mention the factors outside the UK with economic and security implications.

I think what I find so disappointing is that many of the things that need fixing were very obvious and have been for many years. It was clear Labour were going to get in however when they arrived at number 10 they seem to have no new, well thought through plans. As soon as they announced anything the holes in it are obvious, even to everyday people
like me.

WFA was a good example of this, it was clear this needed to have a higher cut off as the benefits available on pension credit often make people better off than those on state pension (who have worked and paid full NI). They’ve now U turned and the cut off is way too high. It’s as though they sat in a room and said ‘ok someone pick a number’. It’s all so reactionary when in fact the civil service has all these figures and it can all be modelled. It can then be presented and explained to the public, if you can justify your decision you are in a stronger position and won’t need to back down.

We now have Labour MPs saying there needs to be a welfare tax, do they even understand where this tax is coming from? Additionally MOs are saying we should take families from Gaza - how can we afford this? I suspect once they arrive they won’t go back and will have to be supported for a long time by the tax payer. They simply just seem to think there is a never ending tree of free money.

Anyway I also think he’ll go and we’ll get someone more left wing which will be the nail in the coffin for this country. I don’t think it’ll be Rayner, she’s said she doesn’t want it. I think the only other decent candidate would be Wes Streeting.

The one thing I will say about Starmer, is that he's keeping the hard left wolves from the door. That's a good thing for everyone.

What do you think leaving the ECHR would achieve in terms of immigration numbers?

And it looks like something completely different to me. Something different again to my next door neighbour, to my friend in the next town across, to my family member in a different part of the UK, to my work colleague.

Complex problems have complex solutions and demanding that we leave a body that (a) serves to protect us and (b) has no bearing on our immigration policy is meaningless.

Do you use the same bots accusation for Labour?

There are fewer people with the intention to vote for Labour than Reform rn. Mn isn’t going to be the Labour support group as it was.

Where is that laugh emoji when it's needed!

You seem so confident of Nigel that I would be happy to be persuaded that he is the man for us.

To help me with this could you please give me some of examples of where he has, during his time as an MEP or in his current post as MP for Clacton, made tangible steps to improve the life of his constituents? Any examples in terms of infrastructure, working conditions, housing, health, human rights would be very useful. Thank you.

Yeah, the people who don't really understand what they're voting for will end up voting for Reform instead, and then we'll all be fucked.

Fuck the ECHR and the criminals they protect.

Boat crossings are the least problem this country has.

It's this kind of insightful input that keeps me returning to MN time and time again.

Every time I ventured that Labour might not be the magic bullet everyone wanted, I was vilified and shouted down and told in no uncertain terms I was wrong.

MNet got the party it was, on the whole, collectively braying for. I hope the penny's dropped.

I hardly think it's comparable. More like what-aboutery.

Wonder if they know St George was Palestian 😂

What has that to do with the case in point?

What is? Do you take other people’s views or dismiss as bots any time it’s not Labour?